... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 7 Re: Corso- Aldrich From: Jan Aldrich< project1947 @earthlink.net Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:14:53 -0500 Fwd Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:06:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Aldrich From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:36:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso From: Jan Aldrich< project1947 @earthlink.net To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:43:5 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:40:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso Greetings List, I will say that Corso always comes back again and again each time as I mentioned before set back to zero again just like some video game. This thing runs in cycles over and over again the evidence that Corso is a liar comes out, everything goes away for some months, then we are told that there is no such evidence and everything starts up again from zero as if nothing was ever posted on this before. <snip More and more evidence comes into focus which indicates that Corso's lack of veracity. See Kevin Randle's post on Kaufmann and Corso. <snip Corso supports Kaufmann. Kaufmann has been shown to be a fraud. What ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun Jun 11 Re: Corso& COMETA From: James Easton< voyager @ufoworld.co.uk Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:56:18 +0100 Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:31:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso& COMETA Re current discussions, it might be helpful to see the transcript of a CompuServe conference which William Birnes gave on 14 August, 1997. I'm not sure if it's common knowledge that a series of books were planned or about the video deposition etc., however the interview was revealing and does contain some specific background to claims about the 'Hoover files', the NASA cover-up which continues to fool the entire scientific world except ufology, how ETs nearly helped win WWII and so on. Although I've edited the text to make it more readable and removed the identity of those asking questions [I'd prefer to have their permission before inclusion] the content is completely unaltered. [Start] Would you like to make a few opening statements? WB: OK, just a few short ones. First of all, I've noticed in lots of articles that people misunderstood what Corso said about how he filtered technology into industry. He never said that it was the Army that INVENTED stuff like lasers or fiber optics and then gave it away. He said that the R&D command already had contracts with companies that were already working on these technologies and that Gen. Trudeau and he used the Roswell technology ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1997 Aug Aug 9 Re: UFOs and Professional Associations& Col. From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@ucs.orst.edu Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 09:54:45 -0400 Subject: Re: UFOs and Professional Associations& Col. Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 02:43:02 -0400 From: Gary <galevy@pipeline.com To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net Subject: Reply to Dennis Stacy Re: UFOs and Professional Associations& Col. Philip Corso Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:27:37 -0500 (CDT) To: UFO UpDates- Toronto <updates@globalserve.net From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFOs and Professional Associations Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:45:02 -0400 From: Gary <galevy@pipeline.com To: UFO Updates Mailing List <updates@globalserve.net Subject: UFOs and Professional Associations Dennis wrote: 1) Corso places Marcel at the crash site where bodies were recovered, an incident Marcel himself never mentioned or even hinted at, despite being interviewed numerous times before his death. Gary replied: Corso makes clear that he was not present at Roswell and that he has heard several stories about the events which took place there. He also relates that although they may have differed in details this could be accounted for by their originating from different individuals. Dennis you ...

... : UFOUpDatesList.Com 2001 May May 21 Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Friedman From: Stan Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:55:04 -0300 Fwd Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:10:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Friedman From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:31:10 -0700 From: Stan Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:31:11 -0300 To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Friedman Ed, I was there. I see now why Phil Corso Jr. didn't want the session taped. He certainly exaggerated by always using Colonel instead of Lt. Colonel, by claiming not only in a sworn statement but also on the sales blurb that he was a member of the NSC which he never was. Let me repeat: Phil Jr. said that he believes that what his father said about the transfer of alien technology is 100% true, but that was only ten percent of the total information his father had to offer. He's sorry there was some confusion. Just what difference does it make what Phil Corso Jr. believes? Did he verify anything? Jr. claimed that he had a foot high pile of documents. I asked if any were classified. He said no. Just what new light can they shed? Corso ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2004 Jan Jan 23 More On Corso [was: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, From: John Velez< johnvelez.aic @verizon.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:19:16 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:03:56 -0500 Subject: More On Corso [was: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:20:09 -0800 Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004 From: John Velez< johnvelez.aic @verizon.net To: ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:58:51 -0400 Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004 From: Richard Hall< hallrichard99 @hotmail.com To: ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:34:09 +0000 Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004 <snip In my kindest thoughts I tend to attribute his whoppers to either senility or manipulation by others. Correction: You didn't snip my last paragraph; I overlooked this. But you apparently didn't read, or comprehend, it. Translation: It suggests the possibility that he may not be a conscious liar. In 1997 during the Roswell 50th anniversary celebration I had an opportunity to meet with, and speak to, Col. Corso. Budd Hopkins and I were enjoying breakfast in the hotel dining room ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Oct Oct 15 Greg Sandow's Corso Critique From: Terry W. Colvin< fortean1 @mindspring.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:02:54 -0700 Fwd Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:20:33 -0400 Subject: Greg Sandow's Corso Critique Philip Corso's "The Day After Roswell" Reviewed by Greg Sandow via Virgil Priscu< priscuv @shani.net Damn. I never meant to buy it. I just thought I'd sit and read it in the bookstore, to see what it was like. But it turned out to be more substantial, more dubious, and more just plain quirky than I expected, so I had to have a copy. Here's what's in it. The central UFO theme is a lot more detailed and newer than anyone has yet suggested here. But there's a smorgasbord of UFO references- Roswell, abductions, the autopsy file, cattle mutilations, MJ-12- so random and incoherent you can easily suspect they were tossed in by someone who didn't really know the UFO literature, to give a manufactured story credibility. And that's not all. Corso makes claims about non-UFO history- the U-2 incident and the Cuban Missile Crisis- that are, shall we say, at variance with the usual accounts. It turns out, in fact, that even in non-UFO terms Corso is a key figure in postwar events, and, if we factor in his alleged UFO role, he becomes one of the most important people in the ...

... 18 Jun 1997 08:57:40 -0400 Subject: Corso's book Damn. I never meant to buy it. I just thought I'd sit and read it in the bookstore, to see what it was like. But it turned out to be more substantial, more dubious, and more just plain quirky than I expected, so I had to have a copy. Here's what's in it. The central UFO theme is a lot more detailed and newer than anyone has yet suggested here. But there's a smorgasbord of UFO references-- Roswell, abductions, the autopsy film, cattle mutilations, MJ-12-- so random and incoherent you can easily suspect they were tossed in by someone who didn't really know the UFO literature, to give a manufactured story credibility. And that's not all. Corso makes claims about non-UFO history-- the U-2 incident and the Cuban Missile Crisis-- that are, shall we say, at variance with the usuaul accounts. It turns out, in fact, that even in non-UFO terms Corso is a key figure in postwar events, and, if we factor in his alleged UFO role, he becomes one of the most important people in the 20th century. Though to give him credit, he's modest about his stature and in fact says that the importance of his work hadn't even occured to him until he sat down to write what apparently (he's not entirely clear about this) was originally going to be quite a different memoir. If I've read him correctly on this last point, of course, then Thurmond's staff might be right when they ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun Jun 26 Aldrich: Corso& the COMETA From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:24:42 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:15:22 -0400 Subject: Aldrich: Corso& the COMETA From: Georgina Bruni< georgina @easynet.co.uk Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:24:32 +0100 To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:35:22 -0400 From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Georgina and List Corso is a lair and a dishonorable man. Signing oneself off with a higher rank is the height of bad form. However, misrepresenting yourself to a court of law has other problems: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/jul/m20-021.shtml See also Bob Young's posting of today. If you conscientiously misrepresent yourself, you are, in fact. a liar. 1. Corso was a liar. This is verified independently from his book in more than one place. He signed off on letters or elsewhere as Colonel, USA, Retired...This is not trivial!) feel very strongly about the way you are calling Corso a liar and have to offer an opinion. The fact that he called himself a ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 8 Re: Corso- Gehrman From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:21:02 -0800 Fwd Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:23:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Gehrman From: Jan Aldrich< project1947 @earthlink.net To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:14:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:36:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso From: Jan Aldrich< project1947 @earthlink.net To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:43:5 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:40:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso Corso supports Kaufmann. Kaufmann has been shown to be a fraud. What does that say about Corso? Corso has no first hand knowledge of what happened at Roswell; He admits to that. Do you mean the shape of the craft? Kemp's report is very short, it mostly raves about the wonders of VSA. It says very little about the interview itself. Kemp's promised second more detailed report never appeared. This gives me very little to go on. However, ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2001 Nov Nov 4 Re: UFO Magazine USA On Philip Corso- Ecker From: Don Ecker< decker @ufomag.com Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:28:02 -0800 Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:28:09 -0500 Subject: Re: UFO Magazine USA On Philip Corso- Ecker From: Gildas Bourdais< gbourdais @wanadoo.fr To: UFO Updates< ufoupdates @home.com Subject: UFO Magazine USA On Philip Corso Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:39:02 +0100 Dear Members of the List, I have just received, here in France, the October issue of UFO Magazine (the American one) and I want to recommand reading it, if only for the article of Don Ecker's 'Honor Restored: The De-Pflocked Facts About Philip Corso'. <snip Greetings to the UFO UpDates List. I just saw Mr. Gildas Bourdais' email on my Phil Corso article in UFO Magazine, Volume 16, No. 5. Thank you Gildas for the kind words. For those who may not have seen this article, I include it here on the UpDates List. I also would recommend reading Dwight Schultz's book review on Karl Pflock's Roswell book, 'Roswell Inconvenient Facts And The Will To Believe', in the same issue.'''' UFO Magazine October/November 2001 Volume 16 Number 05 Starting Page 36 Honor Restored: The "De-Pflocked" Facts About Philip Corso by Don Ecker In the newest ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2005 Aug Aug 3 Re: Phillip Corso& NSC- Sparks From: Brad Sparks< RB47x .nul Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:23:39 EDT Fwd Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:09:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC- Sparks From: Michael Salla< exopolitics .nul To:< ufoupdates .nul Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:00:20 -1000 Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC From: Brad Sparks< RB47x .nul To: ufoupdates .nul Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:49:06 EDT Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC From: Michael Salla< exopolitics .nul To:< ufoupdates .nul Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:21:13 -1000 Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC From: Brad Sparks< RB47x .nul To: ufoupdates .nul Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:34:09 EDT Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC From: Michael Salla< exopolitics .nul To:< ufoupdates .nul Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:01:01 -1000 Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC From: Brad Sparks< RB47x .nul To: ufoupdates .nul Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:04:15 EDT Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC From: Michael Salla< exopolitics .nul To:< ufoupdates .nul Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:05:24 -1000 Subject ...

... mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1997 Jun Jun 18 Corso's Co-Writer Says Thurmond Knew About The From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:31:09 +0200 Fwd Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:22:59 -0400 Subject: Corso's Co-Writer Says Thurmond Knew About The In a recent interview with CNI News' Michael Lindemann Corso's co-writer William H. Birnes confirms that Thurmond knew about the contents of the book. Quote: CNI News-- Vol. 3, No. 7, Part 1-- June 16, 1997 Global News on Contact with Non-human Intelligence CO-AUTHOR OF BOMBSHELL ROSWELL BOOK SPEAKS OUT William Birnes on Himself, UFOs, Impressions of Col. Corso [CNI News thanks William J. Birnes, co-author (with Col. Philip Corso) of the new bombshell book "The Day After Roswell," for this exclusive interview in which he discusses his involvement with the book and his candid impressions of the man behind the story, Col. Philip Corso.] (snip) CNI: Senator Strom Thurmond, who wrote the foreword to the book, told the Associated Press on June 5 that he was not properly informed on the content of the book and now wants to distance himself from it. According to the press statement, Thurmond was told that the book was to be a memoir titled "I Walked with Giants: My Career in Military Intelligence," and that there was "'absolutely no mention, suggestion or indication' that the ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2002 Dec Dec 29 Re: Corso- Gehrman From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:45:10 -0800 Fwd Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:42:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Gehrman From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com To: ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:51:28 EST Subject: Re: Corso From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:51:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso Yes, he certainly did but does that automatically make it a lie? He said the same thing on Art Bell but the VSA indicates he was telling the truth. Now, he may have been mistaken and what he thought was a time machine was in fact something else, but he was telling the truth as he saw it. Ed, All I pointed out is Corso's theory/connection to so-called time machines, either the alleged Nazi or ET types. Yes and you were correct, but you seemed to imply that this was nonsense and I wanted to emphasize that although it might seem like nonsense, Col. Corso wasn't (didn't seem to be) lying, although he may have been mistaken. I didn't think his mentioning of time machines should discredit his other claims. We know from Corso's military record that what he claimed in the book was ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1998 Jun Jun 17 CNI News: Report On Corso's Condition From: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @globalserve.net Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:50:10 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:50:10 -0400 Subject: CNI News: Report On Corso's Condition From: CNINews1 @aol.com To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @globalserve.net Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:24:47 EDT Subject: CNI News-- Vol. 4, No. 8, Part 1-- June 16, 1998 [Excerpt posted with permission --ebk] COL. PHILIP CORSO SUFFERS NEAR-FATAL HEART ATTACK Now Recovering, Family Says; But Appearances Canceled [This story was prepared jointly by Deon Crosby of the Roswell International UFO Museum and CNI News, with the express knowledge and consent of the Philip Corso family. CNI News thanks Philip Corso, Jr. for providing additional information.] Roswell, NM-- In a brief statement made to the Roswell International UFO Museum, the Philip Corso, Jr. family stated that on Tuesday, June 9, Philip Corso, Sr. suffered a severe heart attack. At that time, doctors stated that the attack resulted in 95% damage to the heart and that they feared Col. Corso would not recover. Corso is 83 years old. Col. Philip Corso (U.S. Army, ret) is the author of the controversial 1997 best-seller "The Day After Roswell ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2002 Jun Jun 30 Re: Birnes on Corso?- Gates From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:40:10 EDT Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:25:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Birnes on Corso?- Gates Somebody got me the below... I thought Listers would be interested in excerpts of this apparent interview between Birnes and somebody else back in '97 or thereabouts. My comments are in brackets Out guest tonight is William J. Birnes, co-author with retired Col. Philip Corso of the "Day After Roswell." The latter is no in its 6th printing and I understand was briefly on the NY Times bestseller list. Could you tell us how you got involved with this project? Did Corso approach you or vice versa? Birnes: I was originally retained by a motion picture company to interview Col. Corso about the missing prisoners of war issue in Korea and Vietnam. Through the course of our discussions, Col. Corso and I began talking about military history, especially as it regards the end of World War II and the German scientific advances in flight and weaponry. Gradually our discussions focused on Roswell and the role of Army R&D. Question: And so how did the subject of UFOs and Roswell come up? Whose idea was the book? Did Corso hesitate at that time because Gen. Trudeau was still alive? Birnes: Finally, ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun UFO UpDates Mailing List Jun 2000 Jun 1: Re: Corso& COMETA- Dennis Stacy [27] Re: CAUS Files Appeal Notice- Royce J. Myers III [146] Re: CAUS Files Appeal Notice- Royce J. Myers III [34] Re: Corso& COMETA- Dennis Stacy [32] Re: CAUS Files Appeal Notice- Jim Mortellaro [68] UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 5 Number 22- John Hayes [663] Jun 2: Building 'Spaceships'- Kelly Peterborugh [49] Re: Corso& COMETA- William Sawers [20] Re: UFO Books For Sale- Nick Balaskas [32] Re: Chuck Shramek 12-27-50- 05-23-2000- Terry Blanton [13] Re: Corso& COMETA- John W. Auchettl [59] SF Gate: Physics Approaching Speed of Light- Stig Agermose [104] Re: CAUS Files Appeal Notice- Pat McCartney [37] Boston Globe: Naval Reserve Commander Willard H.- Kenny Young [145] Re: CNI News Says Farewell, And Thank You...- Dan Geib [4] Re: CAUS Files Appeal Notice- Mac Tonnies [18] Re: UFO Books For Sale- Mac Tonnies [15] Re: CNI News Says Farewell, And Thank You...- Robert Gates [23] Re: Corso& COMETA- Robert Gates RGates8254@aol.com [40] Re: CAUS Files Appeal Notice- Robert Gates [50 ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 11 Corso- The Final Analysis From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:46:56 EST Fwd Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:27:19 -0500 Subject: Corso- The Final Analysis Over the past few weeks we have discussed Corso. I also realize that like other topics, such as AA, MJ-12, security classification and others, the Corso topic floats up once or twice a year for discussion. Some points should be made. Co-author Birnes met with Corso a number of times and video taped 14 hours of Corso telling his story. Out of that, they were able to put the material together into a number of manuscripts, the first of which was 'The Day after Roswell'. At one point Birnes said that Corso would review the manuscript and make changes, then send it back to him. Apparently this happened more then three times as they were getting the book ready for publication. After the book was published a number of problems surfaced with the claims made in the book. By one account the first three chapters of the book were not correct, by another account there were problems throughout the book, by another account... so on and on. In the meantime Birnes claimed it was, in fact, what Corso told him. Supposedly (by one account) after Corso started getting hammered, so to speak, he started carrying around a ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2006 Jan Jan 30 Re: Colonel Corso& His Critics- Gates From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 .nul Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:26:34 EST Fwd Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:39:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Colonel Corso& His Critics- Gates From: William Sawers< ufsyntax .nul To:< ufoupdates .nul Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:10:30 +1000 Subject: Re: Colonel Corso& His Critics From: Victor Stead< vicstead .nul To: ufoupdates .nul Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:44:14 +0800 Subject: Colonel Corso& His Critics <snip I read Lt. Col. Corso's book several times and personally believe it to be substantially true. Why would an old man near to death make that entire story up? <snip Yes... Welcome Victor, Its refreshing to hear you innocently stating your view. Its a shame you had to pick Corso. A dangerous subject on UFO UpDates. I too believe the majority of The Day After Roswell. I stopped writing-in after voicing a few pro-comments as well. Anything to do with Corso or the AA will be shot down very quickly. Don't be disheartened, there are many of us great unwashed or, umm, unpublished(?) lurking in the background. Bill, Victor and Listers, Corso and the Day After Roswell is interesting to say the least. I do ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 13 Re: Corso- Ed Gehrman From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:10:14 -0800 Fwd Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:57:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Ed Gehrman From: Stanton Friedman< fsphys @rogers.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:03:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:20:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso <snip From: http://www.caus.org/membercomments/mc062900.shtml "Hand was a CIA operative; Col. Corso had been the military Operations Coordinating Board's delegate to the CIA group planning the 1954 Guatemalan coup. He and Corso had discussed the serious connections between Oswald, the FBI and the Cuban government. Corso probably didn't know what to think or who to trust, certainly not the FBI who had at first denied any connection to Oswald but then had to admit that Oswald had contacted one their agents, James Hosty. What would you have done under those life and death circumstances? This was a matter of a Presidential assassination and some factions within the government were seriously worried about a coup." Ed, The National Security Council is a very important Body. It had many groups connected with it. Membership on the NSC is determined ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun Jun 27 Gates: Re: Corso& the COMETA From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:07:31 -0400 Subject: Gates: Re: Corso& the COMETA Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:24:32 +0100 From: Georgina Bruni< georgina @easynet.co.uk Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:35:22 -0400 From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Jan 1. Corso was a liar. This is verified independently from his book in more than one place. He signed off on letters or elsewhere as Colonel, USA, Retired...This is not trivial!) I feel very strongly about the way you are calling Corso a liar and have to offer an opinion. The fact that he called himself a Colonel when he was a Lt Colonel is no big deal. I have come across this on several occasions, where people have even had personal stationary to that effect. According to high ranking officers I have questioned, this is not unusual.... once retired it really doesn't matter. To make an issue out of it is trivial. The retired ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Dec Dec 11 Re: Corso& the COMETA- Aldrich From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:18:28 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:39:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA- Aldrich From: Georgina Bruni< georgina @easynet.co.uk Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:51:13 -0000 To: UFO UpDates< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA- Bruni Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:40:39 EST From: John W. Auchettl< Praufo @aol.com Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA To: UFO UpDates< updates @sympatico.ca Let's make a few things clear from the outset. The No Gun Ri massacre has plenty of evidence in the records of the Korean government. However, as the US and Korea are allies the Koreans did not press the case. The supposed witness who came forth did state that he was present at the massacre, and he saw the things he was describing. He did not say that his knowledge of the massacre came from stories he had heard or rumors. He said he was an eye witness. However, upon checking, he wasn't there. What is the term usually given to such individuals? Liars! Does that mean that No Gun Ri did not occur? No! Nor did I ever say that it did not. In ...

... Wed, 23 May 2001 16:55:26 -0700 From: Kevin Randle< KRandle993 @aol.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:46:32 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:15:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Morning all- My position isn't that the issues over rank and command aren't important but that there seems to be some confusion about whether they were lies or whether he was confused or mistaken. I know he felt entitled to the rank of full Col. Why is there confusion over this? I don't know. Well, I feel that I am entitled to be a general, so I'll just adopt that rank from here on in. Nope. This doesn't wash. All I'm saying is that Col. Corso said he was a full Col. (retired) His son says he was a full Col. And the record does not support this claim by Corso. That his son believes it has no relevance. I'm trying to get more information on this. I can't answer why this confusion exists but it's hard for me to understand why Col. Corso would feel the need to inflate his rank when he knew he would be under scrutiny. I'm confused, too; The confusion exists because Corso said that he was promoted to full colonel in the reserve and the record shows that this statement is untrue. If Corso had said that he was a Lt. Col., there would be no confusion. but I know that Col Corso is who he says he is so it's hard for ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1998 Jul Jul 22 Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS From: Stanton T. Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:43:46 -0300 Fwd Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:47:49 -0400 Subject: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS From: Robert Todd< RTodd12191 @aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:35:57 EDT To: updates @globalserve.net Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:26:34 -0700 From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net To: updates @globalserve.net Subject: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS Jan (see below): Stan (see below): <snip Colonel Philip J. Corso (ret.) According to the Eisenhower Library, Colonel Corso was NEVER a member of the National Security Council and did NOT attend any of its meetings. He was connected with a subgroup. In addition according to the Roster of the R and D unit under General Trudeau, there only 2 members in the foreign technology Div. Lt. Colonel Corso was the junior officer. He claimed to have been head of the group. In other words, there seems to have been some very serious misrep- resentation. According to Peter Gersten, Corso and his son, when asked if the statement about his being an NSC member whould be deleted from the affidavit, ...

... . You are incorrect. It's very plausible just unproved at the moment. Please elaborate on this "earlier six year service as a commissioned officer." However, there are aspects of Dean's story that are not confirmed and that are in direct conflict with what he says. For example, he said that he was in the "Intelligence Section" but the documents, supplied by him, suggest his assignment was to the Language Group- and a document he supplied to Good relating to Dean's security clearance is "patently bogus." In other words, here is a document supplied by Dean to prove he was involved with the intelligence section that has been manufactured. <snip The only thing red in the argument you are making are the red herrings that you use in your attempt to discredit Corso. These alleged embellishments and insertions of himself into UFO stories are distractions from Corso's central claims. He was the head of the Foreign Technology Desk at Army Research and Development and participated in a covert program authorized by Lt General Arther Trudea to seed civilian industries with extraterrestrial technologies. Those are the central claims made by Corso and are supported by Corso's military records documenting his position where he could have played such a role. Excuse me, but these are not alleged embellishments. Corso said that he was a colonel and he was not. He said he commanded the Whites Sands Missile Range when he did not. He said that he was a member of MJ-12 when he was not. He made many such claims that were untrue. Period. Excuse me but I have yet to find Corso ...

... Mon, 21 May 2001 16:59:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Gates From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:14:28 -0700 From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:58:41 EDT To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Gates From: William Sawers< syntax @slingshot.co.nz To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:01:03 +1200 Robert, you answer William: Regardless of what Corso claimed or said, the fact of the matter was that storys about Russian putting everything from troops to missiles in cuba were floating around before 1962. In fact some of they started leaking out of the Cuban exile community after the Bay of Pigs Fiasco in 61'. Do you have proof for this statement? Have you read Col. Corso's version of these events. Have you read 'The Day After Roswell'? I have read the Birnesized book 'The Day After Roswell. just after it came out. As to the Cuban crisis, why don't you go to the JFK library and read the thousands of pages of documents that have been released and declassified, not to mention the 30,000 plus pages of documents the National Security Archive have about the Crisis. You can also get ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 31 Re: Corso- Peterborough From: Kelly Peterborough< kellymcg @attcanada.ca Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:31:07 -0500 Fwd Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:09:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Peterborough From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com To: ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:28:38 EST Subject: Re: Corso From: Kelly Peterborough< kellymcg @attcanada.ca To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:19:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso From: Colin Bennett< colin @bennettc25.fsnet.co.uk To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:52:46 -0000 Subject: Re: Corso <snip Question- Where's Corso? Who is Corso? Kelly, Let me see if I get this right.... "What is Corso" is on third, "Who is Corso" is on Second, and "Where is Corso" is on first.... So is the short stop "That is Corso?" :) The movie on this players life will be titled: The Legend, the Man The sound track will feature such hits as: "In the mine with ET.." (with the Grey chorus) "Fly me in your time machine" (with Crash Landing and the Nazi's) "J Edgar ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1998 Jul Jul 20 Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS From: Robert Todd< RTodd12191 @aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:35:57 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:23:20 -0400 Subject: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:26:34 -0700 From: jan @cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich) To: updates @globalserve.net Subject: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS From: Stanton T. Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:40:12 -0300 Fwd Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:54:48 -0400 Subject: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS From: Stig Agermose< Stig_Agermose @online.pol.dk To: updates @globalserve.net Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:29:29 +0200 Subject: The Affidavit for Col. Philip Corso (ret.) Jan (see below): Stan (see below): <snip Colonel Philip J. Corso (ret.) According to the Eisenhower Library, Colonel Corso was NEVER a member of the National Security Council and did NOT attend any of its meetings. He was connected with a subgroup. In addition according to the Roster of the R and D unit under General Trudeau, there only 2 members in the foreign technology Div. Lt. Colonel Corso was the junior officer. He claimed to have been head of the group ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1998 Jul Jul 25 Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS From: Robert Todd< RTodd12191 @aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:39:50 EDT Fwd Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:19:10 -0400 Subject: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS In a message dated 98-07-24 11:49:32 EDT, Stan Friedman wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:22:15 -0300 From: Stanton T. Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @globalserve.net Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS From: Robert Todd< RTodd12191 @aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:50:04 EDT To: updates @globalserve.net Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:43:46 -0300 From: Stanton T. Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @globalserve.net Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Corso Affidavit for CAUS <snip Bob, If you have any data on Corso, why not put it on the table? Stan, I have no information on Corso that needs to be placed on the table. Corso himself has detailed his involvement in the Roswell affair, but you seem to display a bias against Corso that I find rather interesting, and I merely am pointing out how ridiculous your ...

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... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 May May 31 Re: Corso& COMETA From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:31:14 -0400 Fwd Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:46:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso& COMETA From: Dennis Stacy< dstacy @texas.net Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:51:07 -0500 To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso& COMETA Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:28:33 -0300 From: Stan Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net Subject: Re: Corso& COMETA To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Dennis and List The problem with Corso's book is that most people who believe Corso have not _read_ it. They have skimmed through parts of it. I doubt that the COMETA- whoever they are- took the time to read the darn thing. They certainly did not do any kind of independent research on this character or his claims. It does not speak highly of their investigations. I get the impression from corresponding with my French colleagues that some of them think that a colonel is a high official who has importance in the power or social structure of the United States. First off, Corso was not a colonel, he achieved the rank Lieutenant Colonel. Even so, there are thousands of retired colonels and lieutenant colonels. Some former military officers are important in both the country's power ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2001 May May 20 Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Gehrman From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:31:10 -0700 Fwd Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:23:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Gehrman From: Stan Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:31:11 -0300 To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Friedman Ed, I was there. I see now why Phil Corso Jr. didn't want the session taped. He certainly exaggerated by always using Colonel instead of Lt. Colonel, by claiming not only in a sworn statement but also on the sales blurb that he was a member of the NSC which he never was. Let me repeat: Phil Jr. said that he believes that what his father said about the transfer of alien technology is 100% true, but that was only ten percent of the total information his father had to offer. He's sorry if there was some confusion. There were many mistakes and his father went through the book, page by page and highlighted them. The corrections were never made because of litigation. Phil Jr. said the book was rushed by the publishers because they were worried that the government would forbid its publication. On the dust jacket there is mention that Col Corso was a member of the NSC but ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1998 Jan Jan 24 William Birnes Interview From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni] Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:40 +0000 Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:03:53 -0500 Subject: William Birnes Interview William Birnes Interview- August 1997- Georgina Bruni The William J Birnes Interview William J. Birnes has a CV as long as your arm and his literary works are too numerous to mention, but what is important to ufologists is his latest best seller. A fascinating inside story co-authored with retired US Army Lt. Col. Philip Corso, titled THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL. Corso, a former Pentagon official who was Chief of the Army's Foreign Technology Division, claims he was responsible for stewarding retrieved alien artifacts (found at the Roswell crash site) to American industries in a reverse engineering project which led to today's technology. I managed an interview with William who is currently writing another book with Philip Corso, THE DAY AFTER DALLAS: INSIDE THE WARREN COMMISSION. Georgina Bruni: William, you have stated that Corso believes he's part of the "Disclosure". Can you elaborate on this? I'm confused, if he believes he's part of the "Disclosure" how did he come to that conclusion? William J. Birnes: First, since the publication of THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL, there has been only silence from the US Government- no official denials, no statements to the effect that Corso has misspoken ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun Jun 11 Re: Corso& COMETA From: Steven W. Kaeser< steve @konsulting.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:26:03 -0400 Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:12:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso& COMETA I am not defending the claims made by Corso in his book, but wanted to make a couple of comments: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol. com Subject: Re: Corso& COMETA To: updates @sympatico. ca I am curious. Why didn't Corso get off his butt and make that point crystal clear, instead of just letting the book and all of the alleged "Birnesizations" ride as it was? For example in the first Roswell book Bill Moore made it perfectly clear over the years that Berlitz strayed into la la land in areas of the book. Why didn't Corso? I believe tha Corso began trying to promote the concept of his book in 1993 or 94. Others can provide details, but I believe he met with a number of researchers in Roswell and hoped to generate some interest in his material. Unfortunately, I think that his presentation to them was fragmented and he refused to let anyone examine the folder of material he was carrying around with him. I suspect that William Birnes got involved at this point and became Corso's path to publication. Birnes ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun Jun 17 Re: Corso& The COMETA From: Jim Mortellaro< Jsmortell @aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:31:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso& The COMETA Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Subject: Re: Corso& The COMETA To: updates @sympatico.ca Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:57:50 -0500 From: Roger Evans< raka @swbell.net Subject: Re: Corso& The COMETA To: updates @sympatico.ca From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:13:58 -0800 Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:25:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso& The COMETA Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:29:14 -0400 From: Greg Sandow< gsandow @nyc.rr.com Subject: Re: Corso& The COMETA To: 'UFO UpDates- Toronto'< updates @sympatico.ca Previously, Greg wrote: I think you should do this. I was in Aix last summer when the COMETA report was published, and read it in whichever French magazine printed it. I wasn't happy when I got to the part on Corso. It seemed to me to drag the whole report down a bit. Certainly I got the idea that the ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2005 Jul Jul 28 Re: Phillip Corso& NSC- Salla From: Michael Salla< exopolitics .nul Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:05:24 -1000 Fwd Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:19:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC- Salla From: Brad Sparks< RB47x .nul To: ufoupdates .nul Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:46:26 EDT Subject: Re: Phillip Corso& NSC [was: An Interview With Clifford Stone]- Sparks From: Frank Warren< frank-warren .nul To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< ufoupdates .nul Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:27:27 -0700 Subject: Re: An Interview With Clifford Stone <snip Brad, Et AL, The official record of the "Hearings Before The Select Committee On POW/MIA Affairs," dated 11-10,11-1992 list Corso as: "Lt. Col. Phillip [sic] Corso (USA, Retired) National Security Council Staff, Eisenhower administration." The "NSC issue" for me (as Stan would say) is in my "gray basket" I would appreciate input as to why Corso would be listed as NSC in a "legal congressional document" if he was not. You're saying that Corso lied in his military records??? His military records show OCB service not NSC. Corso like all witnesses to a Congressional hearing provide their own bios or background and unless the ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 9 Re: Corso- Bennett From: Colin Bennett< sharkley @panzerben.fsworld.co.uk Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:50:36 -0000 Fwd Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:37:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Bennett From: Jan Aldrich< project1947 @earthlink.net To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:14:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso Hello all List Savants, Corso supports Kaufmann. Kaufmann has been shown to be a fraud. What does that say about Corso? As is usual with the style and approach of Jan Aldrich, his analysis of Corso and his book is brutalistic Ufological Maoism. It is contemptuous, dismissive and as an approach to a book and a man is terribly old-fashioned. The interrogatory technique is familiar: go to Frank Kauffman and the like and squeeze their nuts until they confess to a mistake, a misrepresentation, a misunderstanding, yes even a lie. Then take this raft of deviancy and equate it to the "reality" (a favorite word of the List, almost as if "reality" were gainsaid, neat as a ham sandwich and just as easy to reach for) of the man, life and his views. After reading from Shakespeare to Sontag through Milton and via Chaucer, are we to accept this as the measure of a human being? Do our weakest links define us? There is ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1997 Aug Aug 10 Re: UFOs and Professional Associations& Col. From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 13:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Fwd Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:10:11 -0400 Subject: Re: UFOs and Professional Associations& Col. Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@ucs.orst.edu To: UFO UpDates- Toronto <updates@globalserve.net Subject: Re: Col. Corso and Discussions by Stacy& Alevy Hello List, It's taken me too long to get around to reading Corso's book, but now that I've done so, I must say I side with Gary Alevy on this. I couldn't find any statement saying that Jesse Marcel had been at the crash site where the UFO& alien bodies had been found. The closest I find Corso comes to this is on p. 10: "Officers and enlisted men [CIC personnel] alike disembarked from the transport planes and changed into civilian clothes for the investigation into enemy activities on the area [Roswell area]. They joined up with base intelligence officers like Jesse Marcel and Steve Arnold..." He goes on to place Arnold, not Marcel, at the crash site. Dear Jim: You, sir, are an apologist. You would apologize for Pol Pot if it could be demonstrated that he had had (or just claimed ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 9 Re: Corso- Gehrman From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:48:43 -0800 Fwd Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:39:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Gehrman From: Greg Sandow< greg @gregsandow.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:41:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso From: Greg Sandow< greg @gregsandow.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:49:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso It's silly- no other word will do- to get pious about someone we want to defend, by saying they'd never have reached their high positions if they'd been dishonest. History, nowt to mention the daily newspaper, shows otherwise. (Would all those top Enron executives have been given their high positions if they'd been dishonest?) Would Richard Russell have appointed Corso if he'd thought Corso was a fraud? Maybe not, but Corso, unknown to Russell, could have been a fraud anywhere. And just this morning, the press reported something about the commandant of the US Marine Corps-- that he's been wearing three medals that he can't prove he's earned. He's been forced to take them off. Of course, no one would ever have been named to this high position who's unreliable in this way.... Greg, Kevin, ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1997 Aug Aug 26 Re: Corso& AA-film From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:46:31 -0400 Fwd Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:13:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso& AA-film Date: 26 Aug 97 07:43:21 EDT From: BOB SHELL <76750.2717@CompuServe.COM To: UFO UpDates- Toronto <updates@globalserve.net Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Corso& AA-film Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:32:23 +0300 To: UFO UpDates- Toronto <updates@globalserve.net From: Jorgen Westman <wufoc@wufoc.com Subject: Re: Corso/ AA-film Hi everyone. Has Col. Philip J. Corso, (Ret.) ever made any statement, or said anything about, Ray Santili's AA-film? Does it match his claimed memory of the "being" he saw in a glass-tube filled with blue liquid? [deleted text] Hi Jorgen, I don't know what Corso has said, if anything, about the film. Corso can't make up his mind about how many fingers the aliens he saw had. In one place it's four, in another it's six. Personally, I found myself having a real sense of deja vu when I read Corso's book, since he was saying, practically word for word things which were posted over the last three years on the old Encounters forum on CompuServe. I think he, or ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun Jun 25 Mortellaro: Re: Corso& the COMETA From: Jim Mortellaro< Jsmortell @aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:25:02 -0400 Subject: Mortellaro: Re: Corso& the COMETA Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:35:22 -0400 From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Dear Jan, Listers and EBK, 1. Corso was a liar. This is verified independently from his book in more than one place. He signed off on letters or elsewhere as Colonel, USA, Retired. There is an example in the FBI files. The FBI files contain many other examples of such deceptive conduct. (It must be pointed here out that the commanding officer on a Naval ship is addressed as "Captain" that does not mean that he appears at the next officers club event with eagles on his shoulders. Because, as a courtesy, a Lt. Col. is addressed in public as "Colonel" does not mean that he too shows up at the officers club with eagles on his shoulders. Corso consciously signed himself in documents as Colonel. At the least, deceptive and at the most highly dishonourable! This is not trivial!) The FBI files show what? Have you seen them and would ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2000 Jun Jun 30 UpDate: Re: Aldrich: Corso& the COMETA- Aldrich From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:19:07 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:51:00 -0400 Subject: UpDate: Re: Aldrich: Corso& the COMETA- Aldrich From: Georgina Bruni< georgina @easynet.co.uk Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:48:59 +0100 Subject: UpDate: Re: Aldrich: Corso& the COMETA To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:24:42 -0400 From: Jan Aldrich< jan @cyberzone.net Subject: Re: Corso& the COMETA To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Dear Long Suffering Listers, I thought this was over but I am indeed compelled to comment again, because what I wrote is misrepresented below! Corso is a lair and a dishonorable man. I still think that the above comment is a little too strong Jan, especially as he cannot defend himself. He told the truth then, and there is a giant space-based defense system keeping ETs at bay? I agree that we should check the background of people such as Corso, but you are quoting Hoover and the FBI. Have you ever thought what they might write about you if you ever upset them? Look! If you would read the messages, instead of dashing to the ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1997 Dec Dec 22 Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25)- Question to Corso From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:07:17 +0100 (MET) Fwd Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:01:51 -0500 Subject: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25)- Question to Corso Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 06:44:47 -0500 To: UFO UpDates- Toronto <updates@globalserve.net From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25)- Question to Corso Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:57:43 +0100 (MET) To: UFO UpDates- Toronto <updates@globalserve.net From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25)- Question to Corso Steven and list, All so called errors in Corso's book must be attributed to Birnes and not to Corso, as Corso and Birnes themselves have stated and as I predicted around July when this issue came up here first. I didn't have to ask either of them as it was obvious from the beginning. Why "must" we believe that all the errors in the book have to be attributed to Birnes? Is there some documentary evidence to support that contention, or do we simply "have" to ...

... :41 EDT Fwd Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:04:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Gates From: William Sawers< syntax @slingshot.co.nz To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:01:03 +1200 From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:15:35 EDT Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited To: updates @sympatico.ca From: William Sawers< syntax @slingshot.co.nz To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:03:46 +1200 Hi Robert, List <snip William wrote: Corso was a patriot and couldn't stand by and let the US be made a fool of so he contacted Paul Scott a political columnist of some note and divulged "all" to him. This too me was a very crafty way of forcing the Presidents hand by making the info public whilst still remaining in the background as an unknown...where all good intelligence ppl should be. Scott, or others he told released the story to the public forcing the President to confront the Russians. The rest is history. What most people are "ignorant" of is that their was storys and tales being told about so called missiles and other in cuba for at least a year previous to the crisis. Folks coming out of the country to the US were telling storys about missiles and such. This ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 11 Re: Corso- Gates From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:30:26 EST Fwd Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:31:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Gates From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:52:13 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso From: Colin Bennett< sharkley @panzerben.fsworld.co.uk To:< ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:50:36 -0000 Subject: Re: Corso <snip Uncertainty is acceptable. *The Day After Roswell* and the myth it generates needs some serious discussion and contemplation. That's impossible on this list where a majority of well known and respected UFO researchers imply that Corso was a liar and the book is nothing but a compilation of historical inaccuracies, lies and more lies. How many folks have put off As I recall well known UFO researchers have maintained (not implied) that Corso was a liar... not to mention Corso supporters who will admit that there are various problems with the book buying a copy because they think that somehow the questions have all been answered and the issues all resolved. Its a crock! <snip If person's work and information is dismissed because he is accused of being a liar, the metaphysical issues can be put on the back burner and practical means can be ...

... Revisited- Gates From: Robert Gates< RGates8254 @aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:43:45 EDT Fwd Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:21:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited- Gates From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:16:21 -0700 From: Stan Friedman< fsphys @brunnet.net To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Subject: Re: Corso's FBI Files Revisited Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:16:44 -0300 Or, at the very least, there would be some reference to outside pressure. But there's nothing of the sort. If Corso went to the FBI saying the kind of things he put in his book about the Cuban missile crisis, it's no wonder the FBI had trouble with him. See my reply to Greg. There are other serious problems with Lieutenant Colonel Corso's claims, such as his falsely claiming in a sworn statement to attorney Peter Gersten that he had been a member of the National Security Council. I have not seen that statement. I believe he wrote that he was Ike's military advisor to the NSC. In the introduction, Strom Thurmond wrote: "Corso had also spent four years working at the NSC". The facts may be a little confusing but as you point out, Col. Corso did not have the opportunity to correct the obvious flaws he found. I also know that John Alexander ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2003 Jan Jan 11 Re: Corso- Auchettl From: John W. Auchettl< Praufo @aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:55:34 EST Fwd Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:41:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso- Auchettl From: Ed Gehrman< egehrman @psln.com To: ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:48:43 -0800 Subject: Re: Corso- Gehrman <snip But its a crying shame to dismiss Corso's fascinating memories as fraudulent, and nothing but lies. Hi Ed, EBK& List, The problem with Dick and Jan is that they can not conceive a life that runs parallel to their beliefs. The Corso anomaly popped into their quantum world, without their approval and worst of all, who was this Colonel and what did he know about Ufology. Corsos parallel universe is just as foreign and terrifying to Dick and Jan's reality as "Marilyn Manson", "D12", "Limp Bizkit", "xzibit", "Obie Trice" parallel existence. Can you see them in a MOSH PIT? Something must be wrong in reality? So let's pick the scab. Let's make them conform or better still wipe the scab away. If we bully them they may change into a modern Deano, Sinatra or even Bing. Outside their reality, all is foreign and unfortunately to them any comment or explanation is categorised as low level "psycho babble ...

... : Re: UFOs and Professional Associations Dennis I think that you, a studied debunker of U.S. intelligence-agency involvement in the UFO phenomenon, will simply pooh-pooh my response, or tag-team it over to Pflock or another of your debunking friends who will let me have it. Gary Alevy Well, Gary, you're wrong again. I must say, though, that I've run out of patience with anyone who accuses me of having a hidden agenda or being a closet debunker and/or government agent, simply because they disagree with my stated opinions. So, you'll pardon me, or not, for being fairly brief. I've simply got better things to do than respond to you at length, because it's obvious what your response will be. However... And so you dissemble again. Corso clearly states that it is the tabloids who get the number of fingers wrong. But you clearly knew this as you are reading the same text. The sentence you quote from Corso can be read either way. More significantly, however, the press release originally sent out with the review copy of the book I received excerpts Corso's description of the alien he saw-- and the number of fingers is six. Since you won't believe me, I suggest you have someone else who received the press release fax you a copy. That will prove I didn't doctor mine. I will quote the book here The Day After Roswell (TDAR) page 3- Corso states, "The stories about the Roswell crash vary from one another in details. Because I wasn't there, I've had to ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 2006 Jan Jan 23 Re: Colonel Corso& His Critics- Hatch From: Larry Hatch< larryhatch .nul Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:56:13 -0800 Fwd Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:24:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Colonel Corso& His Critics- Hatch From: Michael Salla< exopolitics .nul To:< ufoupdates .nul Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:57:59 -1000 Subject: Re: Colonel Corso& His Critics From: Larry Hatch< larryhatch .nul To: ufoupdates .nul Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:52:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Colonel Corso& His Critics From: Victor Stead< vicstead .nul To: ufoupdates .nul Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:44:14 +0800 Subject: Colonel Corso& His Critics Dear List Members, I like many others am one of the 'Lurkers', people who subscribe to your excellent List and learn much from it but don't always feel that we should write unless we have something important to contribute. Welcome to the List Victor! If you are like me, you will find yourself wavering between opposing opinions as each new bit of info comes in. As for Corso/Salla, I personally scrapped both of them as preposterous long ago. Salla is completely over the edge, but your mileage may vary. <snip I also welcome Victor's post and glad someone is brave enough to step forward and support ...

... UFO UpDates A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena 'Its All Here In Black& White' Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com 1999 Dec Dec 26 Re: Corso? From: Larry Hatch< larryhat @jps.net Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:22:27 -0800 Fwd Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:15:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Corso? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 23:31:52 -0500 (EST) From: Mac Tonnies< Alintelbot @aol.com Subject: Re: Corso? To: updates @sympatico.ca Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:41:21 -0800 From: Larry Hatch< larryhat @jps.net Subject: Re: Corso? To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:28:27 +0000 From: Ralf Zeigermann< kag15 @dial.pipex.com Subject: Corso? To: UFO UpDates- Toronto< updates @sympatico.ca Hello list, I was just wondering what the situation/research status (is there any?) on Colonel Corso might be- the book has been published 3 years ago, and as far as I remember, he planned to write another book about his involvement with 'Alien Technology'; and if I'm not completely mistaken, after Corso's death his son intended to get 'Part II' done, published and released. Dear Ralph: I'm no Corso expert, but I watch this and other UFO lists closely. I believe that my personal opinions of Corso and company are pretty much in agreement with most of the saner readers of these ...

... @verizon.net To: ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:58:51 -0400 Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004 From: Richard Hall< hallrichard99 @hotmail.com To: ufoupdates @virtuallystrange.net Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:34:09 +0000 Subject: Re: DARK MATTERS! January 17th, 2004 <snip In my kindest thoughts I tend to attribute his whoppers to either senility or manipulation by others. Correction: You didn't snip my last paragraph; I overlooked this. But you apparently didn't read, or comprehend, it. Translation: It suggests the possibility that he may not be a conscious liar. In 1997 during the Roswell 50th anniversary celebration I had an opportunity to meet with, and speak to, Col. Corso. Budd Hopkins and I were enjoying breakfast in the hotel dining room when Col. Corso walked in and sat down (alone) in one of the adjacent booths. That is how I got to meet him. Although the comment that follows is subjective, it does come from someone who has spent a little time in the company of Mr. Corso. Assign any weight to it that you wish. Corso's eyes were clear, he looked directly at you when he spoke. His mind was sharp, he was very alert, and made noises like a very intelligent and experienced person. In the short time I spent in his company, I did not detect _any_ signs or symptoms of 'deficiency' (mental or otherwise) of any kind. Let me qualify that.. ...