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Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'

From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 00:08:01 -0400 (EDT)
Archived: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:42:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'

>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:54:04 -0400
>Subject: Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'

>>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 00:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'

>>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:51:38 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'


>>>So Smith would say that telepathy is a natural ability that can
>>>be enhanced by technology.

>>Dr. Eric Walker also dropped hints that E.S.P. played a huge
>>role with regard to understanding the UFO phenomenon. The
>>problem is how Walker would know this. The same question would
>>apply to Smith. How would he know?

>Smith is not too clear on exactly how he received information
>from the ETs. As far as I know, he got some information from a
>medium, and at least one message was relayed by an acquaintance
>who was a ham radio operator.

Neither source is credible, in my opinion.

>>Some people are just dead set on this belief that humans possess
>>this seemingly magical ability and that one day we will learn
>>how to control such. I believe this is a pipe dream and
>>represents perhaps a childish perception of the phenomenon.

>>I can only add that I can scour the earth in an attempt to find
>>a person with advanced psychic powers capable of turning
>>my t.v. channel by mere thought alone. I can also push the
>>button on my remote. Both routes may perhaps produce
>>results if time is not a factor to consider. As far as
>>usefulness and ability to replicate or reproduce the action,
>>I believe technology is what we should focus on. Sure there
>>have been various studies on alleged psychic powers.

>It's illuminating that you do not completely rule out the
>possible existence of advanced psychic powers in humans. If
>humans could have it, then why not the ETs? They might be more
>proficient at it than we are.

Because it's an anomalous experience, something that has not
been shown to be able to be replicated in a predictable manner
on the level of say technology. We don't know how it operates
and there's no perceivable way to control it. The type of
information that is allegedly transferred in these experiences
is not on the same order as in a verbal communication. It's a
literal hit and miss as to what, if any information, is
transferred. As I indicated, when given the choice between
something unreliable versus reliable, what choice would you

>The reality of such "magical" abilities and a physics we don't
>yet understand has been demonstrated often. For example, it is
>indicated by the German medium, Kai Muegge, in a recent report

>'Sittings of Historical Significance' (Prof.Stephen Braude) /
>with stills from the Video-Evidence.


>Among other things, the medium writes, "The second sitting was
>meant to film the full table levitation under full control of the
>medium and his wife! After an hour of very active table movements
>and partial levitations, the full levitation was first happening
>in the dark before the red light was switched on to have it on
>film! What then was recorded, we believe may represent the most
>persuasive film document of a table levitation, especially when
>it is known under which circumstances it was made and who had sat
>at the table!"

>The study was led by Dr. Stephen Braude, the chief editor of the
>J. of the Society of Scientific Exploration. A professional
>film-maker was present to document the effects produced in the
>seances. If levitation of a heavy table is possible by psychic
>means, then operating a tv remote should eventually be possible too.

I do not find table floating to be of interest nor to be
convincing evidence. It is a standard performance that arose in
the beginning of modern spiritualism. It's kin are table
rapping, ectoplasm, and apports. Even the remote viewers took
great lengths, at first at least, to separate themselves form
what was perceived as pseudo-scientific nonsense. Later the
programs would degrade into bringing in tarot card readers,
crystal ball gazers, and self-styled witches yet people wonder
why the programs were canceled.

>>However, we are currently in the infant stage of artificial or
>>technological telepathy. I don't know why so many UFO
>>researchers pretend as if this and similar advances are not
>>happening or are somehow not of concern. And for those out there
>>who think that the answer is a mixture of both routes,
>>technology with advanced understanding of alleged psychic
>>powers, then my question would be why? Why still cling to
>>naturally evolved telepathy when technology does not require any
>>alleged supernatural power of the human mind? Those researching
>>technological telepathy are not researching alleged human

>Let's use vision as an analogy for telepathy. Some of us cannot
>see well at all. We can improve things by wearing glasses, or if
>the eyes are really defective, we can wear a device that puts a
>lo-res tactile image of a scene on the skin.

>Wearing glasses is analogous to the tensor beam device Smith
>described that appears to enhance the input to an existing
>telepathy system. The tactile image is analogous to the BCI
>system you mention below, since an alternative input mode is

>Both approaches are possible, and no one is denying at this
>point that the BCI system will work. It seems to be you who is
>denying that a natural system for telepathy is worth
>considering. But it appears to be supernatural only due to our
>lack of knowledge.

You do realize scientists are developing artificial eyes, right?
They would be implanted and deliver the same optic impulses to
the brain. This technology is in it's infant stages and the
resulting vision it provides is highly pixilated but it works no
less. In the future the vision will improve, and probably exceed
so-called normal vision. This technology does not require any
latent psychic abilities. Likewise, technological telepathy
would not require any either.

>>To be honest, it's not going to play a role because it's not
>>necessary. Both Dr. Smith and Dr. Walker only turned to a
>>naturally evolved human ability because at that time they could
>>not even fathom a technological version. There was no
>>competition so of course it would be a monopoly. And going
>>further, if MJ12 or some other secret organization existed I'm
>>sure they too perhaps went down this route as well. However, by
>>now they would have definitely realized that such avenue was

>The tactile approach to vision will never be equal to vision
>mediated by the eyes because the information bandwidth is much
>too small. I expect any brain-computer interfaces that don't use
>systems naturally evolved for the purpose will suffer from
>similar problems.

>BCI technology will only offer a crippled form of telepathy,
>much like a tactile interface that offers a crippled form of
>vision experienced using the eyes. For this reason, enhancing
>the real human telepathy system is hopefully not beyond our

Willaim, I think you lack perspective. For some reason all of us
naturally think that we exist, as in now, at the pinnacle of
human technological development. I believe this bias may be
preventing you from glimpsing what lies in store for us. We are
going to develop machines we control with our minds via BCI
(Brain-Computer Interface). This same technology will also be
extremely important to the creation of cyborgs. It's coming
faster than you realize. Likewise the day will dawn when we will
be using technological telepathy. Will you still argue for the
use of a naturally-evolved ability when people could so easily
communicate in such reliable fashion?

-Jason Gammon

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