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Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:54:04 -0400
Archived: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:14:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'

>From: Jason Gammon boyinthemachine.nul
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 00:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'

>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:51:38 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Grant Cameron's 'Mental Effects'


>>So Smith would say that telepathy is a natural ability that can
>>be enhanced by technology.

>Dr. Eric Walker also dropped hints that E.S.P. played a huge
>role with regard to understanding the UFO phenomenon. The
>problem is how Walker would know this. The same question would
>apply to Smith. How would he know?

Smith is not too clear on exactly how he received information
from the ETs. As far as I know, he got some information from a
medium, and at least one message was relayed by an acquaintance
who was a ham radio operator.

>Some people are just dead set on this belief that humans possess
>this seemingly magical ability and that one day we will learn
>how to control such. I believe this is a pipe dream and
>represents perhaps a childish perception of the phenomenon.

>I can only add that I can scour the earth in an attempt to find
>a person with advanced psychic powers capable of turning
>my t.v. channel by mere thought alone. I can also push the
>button on my remote. Both routes may perhaps produce
>results if time is not a factor to consider. As far as
>usefulness and ability to replicate or reproduce the action,
>I believe technology is what we should focus on. Sure there
>have been various studies on alleged psychic powers.

It's illuminating that you do not completely rule out the
possible existence of advanced psychic powers in humans. If
humans could have it, then why not the ETs? They might be more
proficient at it than we are.

The reality of such "magical" abilities and a physics we don't
yet understand has been demonstrated often. For example, it is
indicated by the German medium, Kai Muegge, in a recent report

'Sittings of Historical Significance' (Prof.Stephen Braude) /
with stills from the Video-Evidence.


Among other things, the medium writes, "The second sitting was
meant to film the full table levitation under full control of the
medium and his wife! After an hour of very active table movements
and partial levitations, the full levitation was first happening
in the dark before the red light was switched on to have it on
film! What then was recorded, we believe may represent the most
persuasive film document of a table levitation, especially when
it is known under which circumstances it was made and who had sat
at the table!"

The study was led by Dr. Stephen Braude, the chief editor of the
J. of the Society of Scientific Exploration. A professional
film-maker was present to document the effects produced in the
seances. If levitation of a heavy table is possible by psychic
means, then operating a tv remote should eventually be possible too.

>However, we are currently in the infant stage of artificial or
>technological telepathy. I don't know why so many UFO
>researchers pretend as if this and similar advances are not
>happening or are somehow not of concern. And for those out there
>who think that the answer is a mixture of both routes,
>technology with advanced understanding of alleged psychic
>powers, then my question would be why? Why still cling to
>naturally evolved telepathy when technology does not require any
>alleged supernatural power of the human mind? Those researching
>technological telepathy are not researching alleged human

Let's use vision as an analogy for telepathy. Some of us cannot
see well at all. We can improve things by wearing glasses, or if
the eyes are really defective, we can wear a device that puts a
lo-res tactile image of a scene on the skin.

Wearing glasses is analogous to the tensor beam device Smith
described that appears to enhance the input to an existing
telepathy system. The tactile image is analogous to the BCI
system you mention below, since an alternative input mode is

Both approaches are possible, and no one is denying at this
point that the BCI system will work. It seems to be you who is
denying that a natural system for telepathy is worth
considering. But it appears to be supernatural only due to our
lack of knowledge.

>To be honest, it's not going to play a role because it's not
>necessary. Both Dr. Smith and Dr. Walker only turned to a
>naturally evolved human ability because at that time they could
>not even fathom a technological version. There was no
>competition so of course it would be a monopoly. And going
>further, if MJ12 or some other secret organization existed I'm
>sure they too perhaps went down this route as well. However, by
>now they would have definitely realized that such avenue was

The tactile approach to vision will never be equal to vision
mediated by the eyes because the information bandwidth is much
too small. I expect any brain-computer interfaces that don't use
systems naturally evolved for the purpose will suffer from
similar problems.

BCI technology will only offer a crippled form of telepathy,
much like a tactile interface that offers a crippled form of
vision experienced using the eyes. For this reason, enhancing
the real human telepathy system is hopefully not beyond our


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