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Re: Scattered Not Unified

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:52:02 +0100
Archived: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:00:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Scattered Not Unified

>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:43:27 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Scattered Not Unified

>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:19:13 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Scattered Not Unified


>>In the recent exchanges, it was only one person who opined that
>>"Abductees lie. Abductees make up stories and add all kinds of
>>details to their narratives." The posts by others, about
>>"dimensions" for example, were actually based on accepting the
>>reality of the experiences. Experiencers should see that as a


>Lest you misconstrue my words Mr. Treurniet, I did not imply
>that there was nothing to alien abduction. I merely stated that
>is a well known fact, something called confabulation. Several
>abduction researchers have commented on this with regard to
>alien abduction.


>So what I was cautioning against is the mere acceptance of
>abductee narratives at face value. Parts of the experience may
>be real and parts may be fantasy invented by the abductee and
>included in the narrative.

Have to agree Jason. There are problems with all testimony; of
mundane traffic accidents, sightings, close encounters,
abduction experiences.

First is the problem of 'perception'. That is, different people
see different versions of the same event. This was demonstrated
years ago by Prof Arthur J. Ellison, who used to give lectures
on electricity and would sometimes make 'unexpected' things
happen. On at least one occasion he arranged for a bowl of
flowers on his table to "raise up" (by electromagnetism), while
he continued the lecture. Only at the end of question time did
one (nervous) member of the audience ask if anyone had seen
something strange happen to the bowl of flowers during the
lecture. Sceptic members said nothing had happened: "We would
have seen it - but we didn't", others said they noticed " a
wobble", while some excited members claimed they'd seen a
"lifting by spirit hands".

Subsequent research has confirmed those perceptual divisions.
Here's a list, with paraphrased headings (for sensationalism and
controversy the Press used misleading "political" divisions, and
even some scientists were guilty of that):

i) 2007 - dogmatic/sceptic people tend to be blind to unexpected


ii) 2008 - nervous people tend to be more dogmatic:


iii) 2010 - anxious people turn to dogmatism, religion:


iv) 2010 - more intelligent people are less dogmatic, more
inclined to non-traditional thought:


Those and more are summarized at:


Then we have the problem of memory, and especially memories
'recovered' under counselling or hypnotism. The fact that
hypnotism can create illusory 'memories' was conclusively
demonstrated (to me) by a short TV examination some decades ago,
where a Canadian or American (I think) psychologist repeatedly
asked one question of a subject (his secretary - IRCC) over a
three or four day period.

Let's say he began on a Tuesday - first he determined, by a
question, that the subject had slept soundly the night before
(Monday night) and had no disturbance during the night. Then he
hynotised the subject and asked if there had been a sharp noise
heard late on Monday night. The answer was Yes.

On Wednesday he again hypnotised the subject and asked if the
noise heard Monday night was "like a pistol shot" and again the
answer was "Yes". Thursday he hypnotised the subject and asked
what happened Monday night - the answer was "I was woken up by a
pistol shot". On Friday, the (un-hypnotised) subject was asked
what happened Monday night - the answer was "during the night I
was woken up by a nearby pistol shot".

We know that the subject had slept soundly all Monday night -
but the same subject now had a firm memory of being woken by a
pistol shot. We also knew that at no time did the subject
receive any instructions from the hypnotiser and was merely
asked one question each time. [BTW - there's a strong likelihood
that the subject didn't actually know what a pistol shot sounds

Some surprising facts of false memory creation are at:


all summarized at:


Maybe we should also bear in mind the 'experimenter effect', the
'sheep and goats effect' and, an extension of those established
by P.E.A.R, the fact that folk can unknowingly change the outcome
of random number generators (or similar) by some sort of
Psy-power. There's a New Scientist summary at:


Whether any of those mean that we cannot trust 'reality' is open
to speculation.


Ray D

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