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Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

From: Davidf Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:51:41 -0700
Archived: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 04:33:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:34:12 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>>From: Kathleen Marde <Kmarden.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
>from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke

>So therefore, if the following are true then they are a result
>of technology.

>1. Alien telepathy = technology

>2. Alien walking through walls, transporting people through
>"solid matter" = technology

>3. Alien/UFO invisibility = technology

>4. Alien mind control, warping of human perceptions =

>5. Alien/UFO interference with machinery, power-loss, etc.,
>= technology

>There's no need to throw "Western science", as you put it, out
>the window. It only appears like magic but it's technology.
>Anytime someone talks about a naturally-evolved ability they
>are unknowingly discussing magic.

So, Jason, if I were to say that all our sophisticated
perceptual and human cognitive abilities like sight, hearing,
logical/deductive reasoning, mathematics, language, music, art,
etc., etc. are the result of a naturally evolved brain then I am
unknowingly discussing "magic"? Now you are sounding like a

Did these abilities evolve or where they artificially and
deliberately created by an unknown intelligence, therefore
possibly the result of some technological intervention? By
logical extension of your argument, you seem to be claiming the
latter since we currently don’t fully understand how a complex
brain like this is organized or how it evolved. The same is true
for something like a single living cell. Contemporary science
has gained a lot of insight into how it might have come about,
but we still don’t know all the steps. Maybe we will never know.
That doesn't mean somebody who says we still don't understand is
guilty of "woo-woo" stuff or claiming it is magical.

>Anytime someone talks about
>science being wrong, not just our current comprehension, but
>science being wrong, they are unknowingly discussing magic.

But science has often been wrong, because scientific knowledge
is always incomplete. Science evolves with new knowledge There
are innumerable examples. People who challenged the scientific
paradigms of their day were not discussing "magic" but pointing
out observed anomalies that didn't fit into contemporary theory.
Thus Newtonian gravity is not “wrong”, but it is an incomplete
description of gravity that breaks down when pushed to extremes.
So does general relativity that replaced it, which doesn’t work
in the quantum realm.

>Because if it does not fall into the category of science then
>it's by definition supernatural, magic.

You are contradicting yourself Jason. On the one hand, you are
arguing that "they" have technology that we don't comprehend,
therefore possibly outside current scientific understanding,
which by your just stated definition making it supernatural or
magic, but on the other hand you are arguing that it will
_someday_ be understood by science (a hidden assumption),
therefore it isn't magic, but if somebody says it isn't
understood now then you say they are guilty of believing in
magic, and around and around we go.

This came up when you were arguing that alien telepathy _must_
be a technology, when I said maybe it was, or maybe it was a
naturally evolved ability, perhaps enhanced by technology, just
as our own natural abilities such as sight or mathematical
reasoning can be enhanced by technology.

I would probably be skeptical of telepathy/ESP myself except
that I've had too many spontaneous experiences of my own where I
have known of something unique and highly unusual happening in
my near future that came true and other experiences, like a
strong impression of viewing something unusual a mile away which
turned out to be true. In more modern parlance, these would
fall under remote viewing, which was extensively studied by
Puthoff and Targ. Their remote viewers did things that
shouldn't be possible under current scientific understanding,
like locating a crashed plane in the African jungle or a person
kidnapped by terrorists. That’s needle in a haystack stuff and
hard to write off simply to lucky guesses.

I doubt technology has anything to do with this, it is a natural
ability, picking up some sort of very weak signal out of the
noise. Some people are better at it. Apparently remote viewing
can be improved with training. It may be somewhat within our own
science, perhaps the result of quantum non-locality and a
multidimensional universe or multiverse where our sensory
abilities are not totally confined to the 4D space-time universe
of our day-to-day experience.

This doesn't mean it can't be augmented by technology, which I
suspect might be the case, like the difference between a radio
receiver and picking up radio stations on a tooth filling.

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