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Re: Q&A On That FTL 'Discovery'

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:05:43 +0100
Archived: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:49:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Q&A On That FTL 'Discovery'

>From: Geoff Blackmore <geoff_184.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 01:55:37 +1300
>Subject: Re: Q&A On That FTL 'Discovery'

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:54:15 +0100
>>Subject: Q&A On That FTL 'Discovery'


>>So why can't something go faster than the speed of light?

>>Because it would violate the laws of cause and effect.

>There appears to be some confusion here. The speed of light is
>not zero-time. The particles that CERN observed arriving 60 nano
>seconds earlier than expected, did not arrive 60 nano seconds
>before they departed, as implied. They still took a period of
>time to get from A to B; they just did it faster than

The confusion is between proper and improper time. Considered
from the frame of reference of the photon its transit _is_
considered to take zero time. This is the so-called _proper_
time. Improper time is the time measured by some observer in
another frame moving at some speed less than c (e.g. the
experimenters). This improper time varies from frame to frame
but is always more than zero.

More formally, the photon track is regarded as a null signal
line, a line between point events A and B on which the invariant
relativistic called _interval_  is zero. This is called a space-
like interval. All observers in all inertial frames will agree
on the value of it, although they will disagree about the
improper spacetime separation of A and B depending on their
relative velocities.

The CERN result implies (or is believed to possibly imply) that
in the _proper_ time frame of the neutrinos they made the trip
in less than zero time (i.e., in imaginary time), and so
_would_have_ arrived "before they departed". This is exactly why
the result is facing such a strong challenge.

Martin Shough

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