From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:05:43 +0100 Archived: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:49:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Q&A On That FTL 'Discovery' >From: Geoff Blackmore <geoff_184.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 01:55:37 +1300 >Subject: Re: Q&A On That FTL 'Discovery' >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> >>Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:54:15 +0100 >>Subject: Q&A On That FTL 'Discovery' >>http://tinyurl.com/4yvxxwn >>So why can't something go faster than the speed of light? >>Because it would violate the laws of cause and effect. >There appears to be some confusion here. The speed of light is >not zero-time. The particles that CERN observed arriving 60 nano >seconds earlier than expected, did not arrive 60 nano seconds >before they departed, as implied. They still took a period of >time to get from A to B; they just did it faster than >anticipated. The confusion is between proper and improper time. Considered from the frame of reference of the photon its transit _is_ considered to take zero time. This is the so-called _proper_ time. Improper time is the time measured by some observer in another frame moving at some speed less than c (e.g. the experimenters). This improper time varies from frame to frame but is always more than zero. More formally, the photon track is regarded as a null signal line, a line between point events A and B on which the invariant relativistic called _interval_ is zero. This is called a space- like interval. All observers in all inertial frames will agree on the value of it, although they will disagree about the improper spacetime separation of A and B depending on their relative velocities. The CERN result implies (or is believed to possibly imply) that in the _proper_ time frame of the neutrinos they made the trip in less than zero time (i.e., in imaginary time), and so _would_have_ arrived "before they departed". This is exactly why the result is facing such a strong challenge. Martin Shough Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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