From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:59:10 -0500 Archived: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:20:05 -0400 Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files >From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul> >Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:33:09 -0300 >To: post.nul >Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:02:55 -0500 >>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files >>>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul> >>>To: post.nul >>>Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:49:04 -0300 >>>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files >>>There's a plethora of yet to be discovered >>>phenomena. And this, I think we all hope, will eventually >>>include extraterrestrial intelligence, civilizations, et al. And >>>much, much more, including things we don't even dream about. >>I would hope we can agree on these (I should think) fairly self- >>evident observations. I don't seek a prolonged exchange on this. >>I simply sought clarification of your views. Meantime, I will >>continue to read your postings with interest and come to >>judgments I deem appropriate. >Now that we have these things clarified, I hope you will >henceforth center on discussing the actual specific arguments >and evidence I present, Jerry. Most of this long thread has been >about my persona rather than the evidence and arguments >presented. Thank you for taking the effort to compose a thoughtful response. I was not discussing your "persona" but asking, fairly, about what you believe or don't believe when you discuss the UFO phenomenon. Your postings have taken a uniformly negative stance, and your assertion, as I understood it, about what governments have found about UFO phenomena was somewhere between misleading and inaccurate. Thus, your new complaint that I was not discussing a specific case is no more than a red herring. As for "proof," that again is hardly a self-defining word. The question that Ruppelt raised in 1956 remains. As a historian of the controversy, it is my intuition that - even aside from crashed-disc allegations on which I remain resolutely agnostic - - future historians may judge that the UFO question was, or anyway ought to have been, answered in the affirmative no later than the early 1950s, but that political and other non- scientific issues (including not just the escalating Cold War, certainly a big consideration, but simple social/scientific inertia) short-circuited such a troubling and complicating conclusion. Today, in the 21st Century, the mounting detection of extrasolar planets, prominent among them earthlike ones closer and closer to our planet, gives the ETH growing credibility. One could reasonably argue, and it has been argued, that its non-presence in terrestrial space would amount to evidence that ETI is rare or nonexistent (as opposed to ubiquitous); rare-earth beliefs fashionable a couple of decades ago are seldom heard these days. See? I'm up-front about my operating assumptions. (I also have other ideas about what may be happening, but they're irrelevant to the discussion at hand.) As I tried to explain repeatedly, when one has to take somebody's word on an important matter (UFOs or any other contested issue), it is reasonable to wonder where the individual is coming from. Most of my private reading is on historical subjects (at the moment Michael Kazin's new history of the American left); there, the authors, anticipating reasonable reader concerns, as often as note state their operating assumptions up front, especially when the focus of their attention is a controversial one. Anyway, 'nuff said, and again, I appreciate the clarification from you, and I will continue to read your postings with interest. Cordially, Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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