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Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:59:10 -0500
Archived: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:20:05 -0400
Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:33:09 -0300
>To: post.nul
>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:02:55 -0500
>>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>>>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:49:04 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>>>There's a plethora of yet to be discovered
>>>phenomena. And this, I think we all hope, will eventually
>>>include extraterrestrial intelligence, civilizations, et al. And
>>>much, much more, including things we don't even dream about.

>>I would hope we can agree on these (I should think) fairly self-
>>evident observations. I don't seek a prolonged exchange on this.
>>I simply sought clarification of your views. Meantime, I will
>>continue to read your postings with interest and come to
>>judgments I deem appropriate.

>Now that we have these things clarified, I hope you will
>henceforth center on discussing the actual specific arguments
>and evidence I present, Jerry. Most of this long thread has been
>about my persona rather than the evidence and arguments

Thank you for taking the effort to compose a thoughtful

I was not discussing your "persona" but asking, fairly, about
what you believe or don't believe when you discuss the UFO
phenomenon. Your postings have taken a uniformly negative
stance, and your assertion, as I understood it, about what
governments have found about UFO phenomena was somewhere between
misleading and inaccurate. Thus, your new complaint that I was
not discussing a specific case is no more than a red herring.

As for "proof," that again is hardly a self-defining word. The
question that Ruppelt raised in 1956 remains. As a historian of
the controversy, it is my intuition that - even aside from
crashed-disc allegations on which I remain resolutely agnostic -
- future historians may judge that the UFO question was, or
anyway ought to have been, answered in the affirmative no later
than the early 1950s, but that political and other non-
scientific issues (including not just the escalating Cold War,
certainly a big consideration, but simple social/scientific
inertia) short-circuited such a troubling and complicating

Today, in the 21st Century, the mounting detection of extrasolar
planets, prominent among them earthlike ones closer and closer
to our planet, gives the ETH growing credibility. One could
reasonably argue, and it has been argued, that its non-presence
in terrestrial space would amount to evidence that ETI is rare
or nonexistent (as opposed to ubiquitous); rare-earth beliefs
fashionable a couple of decades ago are seldom heard these days.
See? I'm up-front about my operating assumptions. (I also have
other ideas about what may be happening, but they're irrelevant
to the discussion at hand.)

As I tried to explain repeatedly, when one has to take
somebody's word on an important matter (UFOs or any other
contested issue), it is reasonable to wonder where the
individual is coming from. Most of my private reading is on
historical subjects (at the moment Michael Kazin's new history
of the American left); there, the authors, anticipating
reasonable reader concerns, as often as note state their
operating assumptions up front, especially when the focus of
their attention is a controversial one.

Anyway, 'nuff said, and again, I appreciate the clarification
from you, and I will continue to read your postings with


Jerry Clark

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