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Re: Above Top Secret Level?

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:18:59 -0700
Archived: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:18:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Above Top Secret Level?

>From: Vincent Boudreau <vincentboudreau.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:56:42 -0400
>Subject: Above Top Secret Level?

>The documentary The Most Dangerous Man in America, relating the
>whereabouts of Daniel Ellsberg in the Pentagon Papers, features
>very interesting elements about the secrecy community.

>One of the most surprising revelation is the following, at
>around 29 minutes into the film...

>Ellsberg to Henry Kissinger about to take an official position
>in the Nixon government:


>"I took that opportunity to tell him something that I'd long
>thought of telling somebody who's about to enter the world of
>really high secrecy. And I said Henry, you re about to get a
>lot of clearances, higher than top secret, that you did not know
>existed. That s going to have a sequence of effects on you.
>First, a great exhilaration that you re getting all this amazing
>information that you didn t know even existed. And the next
>phase is, you ll feel like a fool for not having known any of
>this. But that won t last long. Very soon, you ll come to think
>that everyone else is foolish. 'What would this expert be
>telling me, if he knew what I knew?' So, in the end, you ll stop
>listening to them."


>If there is higher than top secret clearance - clearances that
>is, as Ellsberg hints at more than one - isn't it logical to
>assume that there is also "above top secret" classifications?

Besides Ellsberg, others to use the term "above top secret" have
been Barry Goldwater and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. Brig.
Gen. Thomas Dubose also used "beyond top secret" when discussing
how classified the Roswell event was, when he discussed it with
Gen. McMullen, who he said was running the operation.

They basically mean "top secret" but with very highly restricted
access, not necessarily some official classification designation.
Very, very few people have access to such information.

Ellsberg when he testified before Congress also used "above top
secret" when he referred to guarded Pentagon vault reading rooms
that contained the nation's most closely guarded secrets.

By chance, I bumped into Ellsberg last November and asked him
whether he knew if any of these "ATS" Pentagon reading rooms dealt
with UFOs.  He said not that he knew of, but then added that
that didn't prove anything because everything in government is
so compartmentalized.

The ones he was aware of and had access to when he worked in the
Kennedy and Johnson White Houses dealt with Vietnam, various
covert operations, and secret communications Kennedy and Johnson
had with Nikita Krushchev, that sort of thing.

David Rudiak

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