From: Terry W. Colvin <fortean1.nul> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Archived: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:27:43 -0400 Subject: Re: July 1947 UP Roswell Teletype Messages >From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:50:46 -0700 >Subject: Re: July 1947 UP Roswell Teletype Messages >>From: Terry W. Colvin <fortean1.nul> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto<post.nul> >>Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:19:28 +0700 (GMT+07:00) >>Subject: July 1947 UP Roswell Teletype Messages >>United Press Teletype Messages - Roswell (JULY 1947) >>PTTUZYUW RUMOUHA5614 2520845-UUUU--RUCICSB. >>ZNR UUUUU >>RUCICSB T AUTODIN MODE V >>RUEOEHA T RULPALJ >>P R 090411Z SEP 11 >>FM COMMCEN CAMP SAMAE SAN TH//TERRY C// >>TO RUCICSB/AUTODIN MODE V//COMMCENTER-7// >>RUMKC/AIG 600 >>INFO ZEN2/CDRUSARSUPTHAI CAMP SAMAE SAN TH//S-2/PAO/MEDTC/CILTHAI// >>RUEOEHA/USCINCSO QUARRY HEIGHTS PN//SCJ2/INTAFF/POLAD/NCR/SCJ6/SSO// >>XMT AUTODIN OPNET//COMMCENTER-2//(RUCICSA) >>BT >>UNCLAS >>SUBJ: UNITED PRESS TELETYPE MESSAGES >>(TWC: UNKNOWN SOURCE) >>THE UNITED PRESS TELETYPE MESSAGES BELOW WERE SAVED BY ROSWELL >>KGFL RADIO NEWS ANNOUNCER FRANK JOYCE. JOYCE FIRST SPOKE TO MACK >>BRAZEL WHEN BRAZEL CAME TO ROSWELL TO REPORT THE DEBRIS FIELD AT >>HIS RANCH. JOYCE SAID HE ALSO SPOKE TO BRAZEL LATER ON AFTER THE >>STORY BROKE. BRAZEL WAS UNDER STRESS AND AT FIRST RECANTED HIS >>ORIGINAL STORY, SAYING HE HAD FOUND A BALLOON. THEN, ACCORDING >>TO JOYCE, BRAZEL TOLD HIM THE MILITARY HAD FORCED HIM TO CHANGE >>HIS STORY. >>THE FACT THAT JOYCE HAS RETAINED THE ORIGINAL TELETYPE MESSAGES >>FOR OVER 50 YEARS IS A >>PAGE 02 RUMOUHA5614 UNCLAS >>VERY GOOD INDICATION THAT HE NEVER CONSIDERED ROSWELL TO BE THE >>"NON-EVENT" THAT THE AIR FORCE NOW CALLS IT. JOYCE WAS THERE AND >>OBVIOUSLY ATTACHED GREAT IMPORTANCE TO THE STORY. NONE OF >>JOYCE'S ACCOUNT OF EVENTS, OF COURSE, WAS MENTIONED IN THE 1995 >>AIR FORCE ROSWELL REPORT. >>JOYCE WAS ALSO A "STRINGER" FOR UNITED PRESS. HE WAS ONE OF THE >>NEWS PEOPE WHO RE- CEIVED THE WRITTEN ROSWELL BASE PRESS RELEASE >>FROM ROSWELL PIO WALTER HAUT. JOYCE TOOK IT DOWN TO THE WESTERN >>UNION OFFICE AND HAD IT PUT OUT OVER THE UP WIRE (THE KGFL >>TELETYPE COULD RECEIVE BUT NOT TRANSMIT MESSAGES). HOWEVER, AP >>BEAT JOYCE AND THE UP TO THE STORY BY ABOUT 15 MINUTES (HOWEVER, >>SEE DISCUSSION BELOW ABOUT AN EARLIER UP MESSAGE). THE UP >>VERSION OF THE BASE RELEASE DIFFERS SOMEWHAT FROM THE AP >>VERSION. (CLICK HERE TO COMPARE). >>ACCORDING TO JOYCE, HE HAD ORIGINALLY HIDDEN MORE OF THESE TELEX >>MESSAGES IN THE KGFL OFFICE, BUT THE MILITARY LATER CAME AND >>SWEPT THE STATION. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE TELEXES DIDN'T >>SURVIVE THE SWEEP. THEREFORE, THE MESSAGES BELOW CHRONICLE THE >>UP'S REPORTING OF THE STORY OVER ONLY ABOUT A ONE HOUR PERIOD, >>FROM 2:41 TO 3:46 P.M., ROSWELL STANDARD TIME. THE EXISTING AP >>CHRONOLOGY, IN CONTRAST, RUNS THREE HOURS, FROM 2:26 TO 5:30, >>WHEN THE OFFICIAL WEATHER BALLOON EXPLANATION WAS FINALLY >>ANNOUNCED AND KILLED MOST INTEREST IN THE STORY. ><snip> >Terry, I don't know where you found this on the Net, but it has >been ripped off my website without attribution. I've had this >up on the Net the least 9 years. See: >http://www.roswellproof.com/United_Press_Telexes.html >I certainly don't own rights to the telexes (even though I >transcribed them from the Xerox copies into computer text), but >what is really galling is it also includes my introduction to >and commentary on Frank Joyce's collection of UP telexes, copied >word for word, but hoked up with CAPITAL LETTERS, phony paging, >and cryptic pseudo-document telex gibberish, including "UNCLAS" >and "UNKNOWN SOURCE" to make it appear like it comes from some >previously classified government document. >So it is plagiarism and also gross misrepresentation as to >source by some typical Net dirtbag. Bahhh! >David Rudiak Yes, I wish I knew where I found this on the internet. At times I do copy the website down for reference. This is so when the photocopied text will not copy and paste without garble and missing data. The all capitals portion of this 'message' above the first line of text is my creation. This is in JANAP 128 format. My initials were used with unknown source as shorthand for unknown source. Maybe I should stick with looking at Project Blue Book documents at the fold3.com (formerly footnote.com) web site. Terry Terry W. Colvin Ladphrao (Bangkok), Thailand Pran Buri (Hua Hin), Thailand http://terrycolvin.freewebsites.com/ [Terry's Fortean & "Work" itty-bitty site] Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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