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July 1947 UP Roswell Teletype Messages

From: Terry W. Colvin <fortean1.nul>
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:19:28 +0700 (GMT+07:00)
Archived: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:27:27 -0400
Subject: July 1947 UP Roswell Teletype Messages


United Press Teletype Messages - Roswell (JULY 1947)

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SUBJ: UNITED PRESS TELETYPE MESSAGES
(TWC: UNKNOWN SOURCE)

THE UNITED PRESS TELETYPE MESSAGES BELOW WERE SAVED BY ROSWELL
KGFL RADIO NEWS ANNOUNCER FRANK JOYCE. JOYCE FIRST SPOKE TO MACK
BRAZEL WHEN BRAZEL CAME TO ROSWELL TO REPORT THE DEBRIS FIELD AT
HIS RANCH. JOYCE SAID HE ALSO SPOKE TO BRAZEL LATER ON AFTER THE
STORY BROKE. BRAZEL WAS UNDER STRESS AND AT FIRST RECANTED HIS
ORIGINAL STORY, SAYING HE HAD FOUND A BALLOON. THEN, ACCORDING
TO JOYCE, BRAZEL TOLD HIM THE MILITARY HAD FORCED HIM TO CHANGE
HIS STORY.

THE FACT THAT JOYCE HAS RETAINED THE ORIGINAL TELETYPE MESSAGES
FOR OVER 50 YEARS IS A



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VERY GOOD INDICATION THAT HE NEVER CONSIDERED ROSWELL TO BE THE
"NON-EVENT" THAT THE AIR FORCE NOW CALLS IT. JOYCE WAS THERE AND
OBVIOUSLY ATTACHED GREAT IMPORTANCE TO THE STORY. NONE OF
JOYCE'S ACCOUNT OF EVENTS, OF COURSE, WAS MENTIONED IN THE 1995
AIR FORCE ROSWELL REPORT.

JOYCE WAS ALSO A "STRINGER" FOR UNITED PRESS. HE WAS ONE OF THE
NEWS PEOPE WHO RE- CEIVED THE WRITTEN ROSWELL BASE PRESS RELEASE
FROM ROSWELL PIO WALTER HAUT. JOYCE TOOK IT DOWN TO THE WESTERN
UNION OFFICE AND HAD IT PUT OUT OVER THE UP WIRE (THE KGFL
TELETYPE COULD RECEIVE BUT NOT TRANSMIT MESSAGES). HOWEVER, AP
BEAT JOYCE AND THE UP TO THE STORY BY ABOUT 15 MINUTES (HOWEVER,
SEE DISCUSSION BELOW ABOUT AN EARLIER UP MESSAGE). THE UP
VERSION OF THE BASE RELEASE DIFFERS SOMEWHAT FROM THE AP
VERSION. (CLICK HERE TO COMPARE).

ACCORDING TO JOYCE, HE HAD ORIGINALLY HIDDEN MORE OF THESE TELEX
MESSAGES IN THE KGFL OFFICE, BUT THE MILITARY LATER CAME AND
SWEPT THE STATION. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE TELEXES DIDN'T
SURVIVE THE SWEEP. THEREFORE, THE MESSAGES BELOW CHRONICLE THE
UP'S REPORTING OF THE STORY OVER ONLY ABOUT A ONE HOUR PERIOD,
FROM 2:41 TO 3:46 P.M., ROSWELL STANDARD TIME. THE EXISTING AP
CHRONOLOGY, IN CONTRAST, RUNS THREE HOURS, FROM 2:26 TO 5:30,
WHEN THE OFFICIAL WEATHER BALLOON EXPLANATION WAS FINALLY
ANNOUNCED AND KILLED MOST INTEREST IN THE STORY.



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THERE ALSO APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN AN ORIGINAL UP BULLETIN THAT
PRECEDED THE 2:41 STORY. NOTICE THAT AT 2:41 IT STARTS WITH
"MORE FLYING DISC" AND REFERENCES A PREVIOUS TRANS- MISSION.
JOYCE TOLD ME THAT THE MILITARY AT FIRST TRIED TO SUPPRESS THE
PRESS RELEASE AFTER IT WENT OUT AND RECALLED THE TELETYPES GOING
DEAD FOR A WHILE. BUT THE STORY HAD ALREADY GOTTEN OUT. OTHER
THAN JOYCE'S MEMORY, THERE IS CURRENTLY NO OTHER EVIDENCE THAT
THE NEWSWIRES WENT DEAD FOR A WHILE (OTHER THAN, PERHAPS, THE
LYDIA SLEPPY STORY OF THE FBI CUTTING OFF HER TELETYPE
TRANSMISSION IN ALBUQUERQUE). ALL THAT CAN BE SAID FOR SURE IS
THAT THERE WAS AN EARLIER UP BULLETIN ON THE FLYING DISC STORY
THAT ISN'T IN JOYCE'S SURVIVING COLLECTION.

I HAVE TYPED THE MESSAGES EXACTLY AS THEY WERE, INCLUDING ALL
TYPOS, TRANSMISSION ERRORS, JARGON, AND CRYPTIC ABBREVIATIONS.
WHEN PRESENT, TRANSMISION TIMES IN THE TELEX MESSAGES ARE
HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, INCLUDING THE NON-ROSWELL RELATED STORIES.

BELOW LISTS THE MEANINGS OF SOME OF THE ABBREVIATIONS:

FRR: SANTA FE UP OFFICE
DXR: DENVER UP OFFICE
DA: DALLAS UP OFFICE
95: DESIGNATES SECOND IN IMPORTANCE TO A BULLETIN



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UP WAS WELL AHEAD OF AP IN FINDING OUT THAT MARCEL'S DESTINATION
WAS 8TH ARMY HEAD- QUARTERS AT FORT WORTH. NOTE THE REGIONAL
"WIRE CHATTER" BETWEEN 3:17 AND 3:22 PM WHEN THIS IS FIRST
MENTIONED AND WHERE THEY PUT THE DALLAS OFFICE ON THE CASE. IN
CONTRAST, RAMEY AND THE FORT WORTH CONNECTION DIDN'T APPEAR ON
THE AP WIRE UNTIL 3:53. (COMPARE TO AP CHRONOLOGY)

SUBSEQUENT UP-BASED STORIES (UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE ORIGINAL
TELEX MESSAGES MISSING BELOW, BUT INCLUDING PORTIONS OF SOME OF
THE PREVIOUS SURVIVING TRANSMISSIONS) QUOTE RAMEY EXPLICITLY
IDENTIFYING THE DEBRIS AS FROM A WEATHER BALLOON AND RADAR RE-
FLECTOR BEFORE THE PHOTOS AT FORT WORTH WERE EVER TAKEN, AND
PROBABLY BEFORE MAJOR MARCEL'S PLANE EVEN ARRIVED THERE WITH THE
ACTUAL DEBRIS RETRIEVED FROM THE FIELD. IT IS REASONABLE TO
ASSUME THAT THESE RAMEY QUOTES WERE OBTAINED BY THE UP DALLAS
OFFICE SOON AFTER BEING PUT ON THE STORY AT AROUND 3:20. (OR
4:20 IN DALLAS). THESE RAMEY UP QUOTES APPEARED IN AT LEAST ONE
WEST COAST NEWSPAPER THAT EVENING (THE SAN FRANCISCO NEWS). THE
EVENING PUBLICATION DEADLINE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND
3:00 PACIFIC TIME, INDICATING THAT RAMEY WAS TALKING ABOUT
WEATHER BALLOONS AND RADAR TARGETS WELL BEFORE THE ANNOUNCEMENT
OF THE OFFICIAL IDENTI- FICATION BY HIS WEATHER OFFICER AT 4:30
PACIFIC TIME (THIS DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO ANY WEST COAST PAPERS
THAT EVENING).




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RAMEY WAS ALSO TALKING TO A REPORTER FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO
EXAMINER AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME, AS WELL AS BEING IN TELEPHONE
COMMUNICATION WITH THE ARMY AIR FORCE PENTAGON PRESS OFFICE. AP
REPORTED ON RAMEY'S PENTAGON STATEMENTS, PROBABLY IN THE SAME
3:53 BULLETIN (OR 2:53 PACIFIC TIME) AND THESE ALSO BARELY MADE
IT INTO THE EVENING EDITIONS OF SOME WEST COAST PAPERS (LOS
ANGELES, HERALD-EXPRESS AND SEATTLE TIMES). AGAIN RAMEY SEEMED
TO BE MAKING THESE TELEPHONE STATEMENTS BEFORE 3:00 PM ON THE
WEST COAST OR 5:00 PM IN FORT WORTH.

SOME PARTS OF THESE UP MESSAGES ARE STILL PUZZLING TO
INVESTIGATORS. E.G., SEE THE END OF THE ORIGINAL 2:41 MESSAGE
MENTIONING THE STRANGE BLUE LIGHT REPORTED BY "RESIDENTS NEAR
THE RANCH" SEVERAL NIGHTS BEFORE. HOW DID THAT GET IN THERE?
THERE IS NO SIMILAR DESCRIPTION IN THE AP VERSION OF THE PRESS
RELEASE. ACCORDING TO FRANK KAUFMANN, IT WAS THE BLUE GLOW OF
THE CRASH OBJECT THAT ORIGINALLY TIPPED THE MILITARY OFF AS TO
ITS LOCATION. OBVIOUSLY A BALLOON WOULDN'T DO THIS.

ALSO LOOK AT THE LAST MESSAGE FROM THE SANTA FE OFFICE WHICH
ASKS WHETHER THIS WAS THE SAME RANCH MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS
WEEKS' "FLYING DISC HULLABALOO." WHAT RANCH WERE THEY REFERRING
TO? ONE POSSIBILITY WAS THE UFO REPORT OF JUNE 29 FROM A RANCHER
IN CLIFF, N.M. OF A SHINY OBJECT CRASHING DOWN. TWO AAF FLIERS
WENT OUT TO LOOK BUT FOUND NOTHING EXCEPT A LAYER OF "STINKING
AIR." THIS WAS A SMALL



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TELETYPES) STORY BARELY REPORTED EVEN IN NEW MEXICO, BUT THE
SANTA FE UP OFFICE WAS
PROBABLY AWARE OF IT.


DXR 54
MORE FLYING DISC (DXR53)

-0-
THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE REPORTS THAT IT GAINED POSSESSION OF THE
"DIS:" THROUGH THE COOPERATION OF A ROSWELL RANCHER AND SHERIFF
GEORGE WILSON OF ROSWELL.
THE DISC LANDED ON A RANCH NEAR ROSWELL SOMETIME LAST WEEK. NOT
HAVING PHONE FACILITIES, THE RANCHER, WHOSE NAME HAS NOT YET
BEEN OBTAINED, STORED THE DISC UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HE WAS ABLE TO
CONTACT THE ROSWELL SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN TURN NOTIFIED A MAJOR OF THE 509TH
INTELLIGENCE OFFICE.
ACTION WAS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY AND THE DISC WAS PICKED UP AT THE
RANCHER'S HOME AND TAKEN TO THE ROSWELL AIR BASE. FOLLOWING
EXAMINATION, THE DISC WAS FLOWN BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS IN A
SUPER- FORTRESS TO AN UNDISCLOSED "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS." THE AIR
BASE HAS REFUSED TO GIVE DETAILS OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE DISC
OR OF ITS APPEARANCE.
RESIDENTS NEAR THE RANCH ON WHICH THE DISC WAS FOUND REPORTED
SEEING A STRANGE BLUE LIGHT SEVERAL DAYS AGO ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK IN
THE MORNING.
J241P 7/8

FRR8
(SUB)
ROSWELL, NEW MEXICO---THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE OF THE 509TH BOMB
GROUP OF THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE REPORTS THAT IT HAS
RECEOVERED A "FLYING DISC" AND THAT IT IS BEING FLOWN IN A
SUPERFORTRESS TO "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS" FOR STUDY.
ARMY OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL BASE WILL NOT DISCLOSE THE
LOCATION OF THE "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS."
SHERIFF GEORGE WILCOX (CORRECT) OF ROSWELL WAYS THAT THE DISC
WAS FOUND ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO BY A RANCHER BY THE NAME OF W.
W. BRIZELL ON THE FOSTER RANCH NEAR CORONA, ABOUT 75 MILES
NORTHWEST OF ROSWELL
NEAR THE CENTER OF NEW MEXICO.
SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THE RANCHER DOES NOT HAVE A TELEPHONE, AND
THAT HE DID NOT REPORT FINDING THE DISC UNTIL DAY BEFORE
YESTERDAY.
SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT
WAS, BUT THAT AT FIRST IT APPEARED TO BE A WEATHER METER.
HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED,
AND AN OFFICER AND AN ENLISTED MAN CAME TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE
TO CLAIM THE OBJECT.
SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTES BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT "IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL." WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID THAT THE
DIXC WAS BROKEN SOME, APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL. THE SHERIFF SAYS
THAT BRIZELL DESCRIBED THE OBJECT ABOUT AS LARGE AS A SAFE IN
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT THREE AND
ONE-HALF BY FOURFEE.
-0-
(DXR
WILL HV ANOTHER ADD IN ABT 5 OR 10 MINWS.)
V7/8


316P SPLIT 20 MINS DXR

SXR - IXR - HOLD FOR ONE
HCR

S AGR

JD/FRR
LETS HAVE TEXT ARMY ANNOUNCEMENT FASTEST. JUST PUT ON
AS TEST AN LET ROLL IN QUOTES.
DX NJ317P7/8..

NJ DXR
ARMY GAVE VERBAL ANNCMENT. NO TEXT.
FRR V7/8..


FRR
DID ARMY CALL IT A "FLYING DISC" OR WHAT?
DXR.

NAJ DXR
FYI, ROSWELL REPORTS TT MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL, INTELLIGENCE
OFFICER FOR 509TH BOMBER GROUP AT ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE, IS IN
FORT WORTH, TEX., AT 8TH ARMY HDQUARTERS, "IF HE HANT ALREADY
STARTED BACK FOR ROWELL." SUGG U GET DA IN ON IT FASTEST. TT
MITE BE WHERE DISC WAS FLOWN.
FRR V7/8

FRR
DA ALREADY ALERTED. HOW RE ARMY TERMINOLOGY---"FLYING DISC" OR
WHAT PLS?
DXR.

DXR
OUR S5&4 CALLED IT "FLYING DISC." WE UNABLE GET QUOTES FROM
-4.6 OURSELVES -S 635. WE AFTER IT FASTEST. S5&4 SAID "FLYING DISCS."
FRR V7/8..

DXR20S
DENVER---RECORDS SHOW THAT COLORADO IS LAGGING BEHIND HER...
...
CX322P 7/8

95
DXR
ARMY :-))3$ [CALLED] IT "LFLYING DISC."
FRR V7/8..

FRR8
EEDITORS; PLEASE SUB FOR 5TH PGH AND REMAINDER OF FRRE8
-0-
HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED
IMMEDIATELY BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL---
INTELLIGENCE OFFICER OF THE ROSWELL BASE---AND AN ENLISTED MAN
THEN CHECKED WITH THE SHERIFF.
SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTED BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT "IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL." WILCOX SAID THAT BRIZELL RELATED THAT THE
DISC WAS BROKEN SOMEWHAT---APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL. THE SHERIFF
SAID THAT BRIZELL DESCRIBED THE OBJECT ABOUT AS LARGE AS A SAFE
IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT THREE
AND ONE-HALF BY FOUR FEET.
BRIZELL DID NOT BRING THE OBJECT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT
MERELY DROVE THE 75 MILES FORM THE RANCH TO ROSWELL TO REPORT
HIS FINDING. SHERIFF WILCOX SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL LEFT SHORTLY
AFTER RECEIVING THE REPORT FOR THE AREA WHERE THE DISC WAS
FOUND. MEANWHILE, A REPORT FROM CARRIZOZO, NEW MEXICO, SAID THAT
A DISC WAS FOUND 35 MILES SOUTHEAST OF CORONA. THE REPORT---
WHICH WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED---MERELY SAID THAT IT WAS "A RUBBER
SUBSTANCE AND TINFOIL ENCASE." HOWEVER, IT WAS PRESUMED TO BE
THE SAME AS THE ONE REPORTED TO ROSWELL.
REPORTS FROM THE ROSWELL BASE SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL WAS AT
EIGHTH ARMY HEADQUARTERS IN FORT WORTH, TEXT, BUT THAT "HE MIGHT
BE ON HIS WAY BACK TO ROSWELL BY PLANE NOW." HOWEVER, OFFICIALS
AT THE ROSWELL BASE SAY THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE DISC OR ITS
DESCRIPTIONG, OR WHERE THE "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS" WHERE IT
REPORTEDLY
WAS TAKEN ARE LOCATED.
V342P7/8

FRR10 (CQ)
MORE DISC (ROSWELL)
SHERIFF'S OFFICERS IN ROSWELL SAID THAT BRIZELL TOLD THEM HE SAW
IT LYING ON THE RANCH, AND THAT HE PICKED IT UP AND INTENDED TO
KEEP IT. THEY SAID THAT HE DID NOT GIVE A COMPLETE DESCRIPTION
OF THE OBJECT, OTHER THAN TO SAY IT APPEARED SOMEWHAT LIKE
TINFOIL AND WAS LARGE---ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE SAFE IN THE
SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SHERIFF'S OFFICERS SAID THAT BRIZELL TOLD THEM
HE PLANNED TO KEEP THE OBJECT, BUT THEN HEARD REPORTS OF FLYING
DISCS AND DECIDED TO DRIVE IN TO ROSWELL AND REPORT HIS FINDING
TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
-0-

(DXR: 23 :(8,& :-448"9"9.)
V3/45P7/8

95
FRR
WAS TT SAME RANCH MENTIONED LAST AS

95
FRR
WAS TT SAME RANCH MENTIONED LAST WEEK IN FLYING DISC
HULLABALOO?
DX
CX336P 7/8 [PROBABLY TYPO, SHOULD BE 3:46 PM]
BT
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