From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:32:17 -0300 Archived: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 06:20:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs >From: Chris Burns <Thurstonoreggae.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 18:01:45 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs >>From: Carol Maltby <carolmaltby.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:01:19 -0400 >>Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs >>I'd like to alert those interested in Hudson Valley UFO >>sightings that we've been having a problem with what appear to >>be military craft that may produce some UFO reports. Astronomer >>Bob Berman (who lives in the area) described his sighting in his >>Woodstock Times column as "Man, it was weird. It was the closest >>thing to a UFO that I've ever seen." > >>This summer the mountainous, heavily wooded central Catskills >>(western Ulster County in particular) has been plagued with >>loud, fast low-flying aircraft often around midnight.They've >>been reported to sometimes follow the hollows deeper into the >>mountains. I ran out of my house at the noise when one of them >>flew over, concerned that it was a plane about to crash (heard >>it, didn't see it). Another I saw at midnight appeared to be >>lower than the mountains beyond it, and seemed to be at least as >>large as a quarter held at arm's length. >>Efforts to find an agency would take responsibility for the >>flights has been frustrating so far. The larger planes have been >>identified as C-130s. They are sometimes seen in close pursuit >>of smaller planes, which Berman describes as "small, very fast, >>dark aircraft with no position (navigation) lights - just a >>single green trailing light. I think it was a pilotless drone." >>Resident Mary Kelly says the plane she saw had only one red >>light.The smaller planes are said to be the MQ-9 Reaper >>pilotless drones, of the sort used over Afghanistan. Perhaps >>those of us under the fly-overs are only video game blips to >>some kid at an Air National Guard console. >>Woodstock (NY) Times article Aug. 25 2011: >>http://tinyurl.com/3rg4yny >>Bob Berman Woodstock Times column Sept. 1, 2011: >>http://tinyurl.com/3ucglbe >>I still haven't seen a UFO here in 24 years in the Hudson >>Valley, though I once missed a possible sighting in a known >>hotspot (Whitley's old neighborhood) due to being on the wrong >>side of the car to see it. I still keep scanning the skies, >>though. >Carol, Errol, >Thanks for posting that information concerning the aircraft >activity over Ulster County in the Hudson Valley. I believe we >traded emails before, but I concentrate on collecting and when >possible investigating sightings around the Pine Bush area, >which is located where Orange County meets Ulster. >Oddly enough, I followed-up with a witness in Montgomery last >night who reported watching a red and green light the previous >week meander around for about 5 minutes, at one point doing a >loop. The report reminded me of the old "amber ramblers" seen in >Yakima, WA and Piedmont, MO. >While the movement doesn't sound like what one would expect from >a drone, I do find it interesting that the two colors mentioned >in the Woodstock Times article are similar to what my witness >reported. He thought the best conventional explanation would be >a remote-controlled model plane, but as he was very familiar >with how conventional and military aircraft appear from his >residence's viewpoint, he felt the distance covered by the >object as well as lack of motor sound detracted from the model >plane explanation. >Myself and Vincent Polise run a Yahoo List for the Pine Bush UFO >community; could I get permission from you and Errol to repost >your note? I think many would find it very interesting. >Thanks again! >Chris Burns There is no Military Operational Area in the affected region of New York state such as the Hudson Valley or the Catskills. Additionally the Westchester area in the Hudson Valley is in the New York TRACON. Contrary to what most think the US Air Force can't just go and do maneuvers wherever they want. They can be arrested-and have been just the same as anyone else. There are plenty of MOAs in the American southwest where these operations can be carried out. I urge for the hundredth time for people to check all of their facts and what is and is not allowed in Controlled and un controlled airspace - the latter which is the domain of many private aircraft and low end commercial use. C-130s (Hercs) roaring at low level up valleys chasing these so- called drones or in operation with, is ludicrous. Once you get that parameter in place you can start there with attempts at identification. Don Ledger Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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