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Hynek, SETI & Alien Methods & Motives

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:48:16 +0100
Archived: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:14:39 -0400
Subject: Hynek, SETI & Alien Methods & Motives

Hello List,

Noticed recent threads and coincidentally was reading some
stuff* by Paul Davies, of SETI 'Contact Committee' fame, and he
mentioned that as a post-doc researcher he met Hynek a number of
times, once at his home (with its roomful of 'dusty UFO files')
and said that Hynek was convinced 'there was something in it '
(Hynek would've been speaking as to a fellow 'scientist')
although admitting the small, inconclusive evidence for anything
"seriously odd". Davies says that, much later, he personally
came to see how 'deeply anthropocentric' most accounts seemed to

He also observes that a similar parochialism had gripped SETI,
and quotes Frank Drake: "Our signals of today are very different
from the signals of 40 years ago, which we then felt were
perfect models of what might be radiated from other worlds of
any state of advancement" - "We were wrong. If technology can
change that much in 40 years, how much might it change in
thousands or millions of years".

[Purely statistically, if we meet alien civs some or most of
them are likely to be thousands, millions or billions of years
ahead of us. That's a general statement - the exact (average)
figure depends on the real age of the universe; and the best-fit
models say that's a lot older than the 'standard model' is
claiming. http://www.physorg.com/news199591806.html - "Model
describes universe with no big bang, no beginning, and no end"
www.perceptions.couk.com/creation.html#updates - 'Steady-State &
Eternalist predictions of the CMBR were right - Big-Bang
predictions were way too high']

Turning from 'methods' he then briefly considered the
unanswerable question of how much 'motives' might change with a
civilization's technological advances, giving the example that
today information (or rather, certain data arrangements, as sold
by say, Bill Gates), is valued, whereas 'yesterday' (last few
hundred years) it was land, resources etc, and before that it
was cattle and slaves (Yup, the 'classical' Greeks were
basically cattle thieves and slave traders: read Xenophon).

That's an interesting line of thought, given the transitions
we've already seen. I.e - a seriously advanced civilization will
have no desires for material resources, since all matter could
be transmuted/teleported at will - or even in data, since a
mature civ will've already classified everything of interest.

What's left? Maybe the "details of uploaded memories"? Or the
"patina of quality dreams"? Or the "romance of quirky
imaginations"? Or the "platonic beauty of logical arguments"?
(not mathematical - can't imagine even advanced aliens being
'fond' of mathematical tautologies).

They all look a bit weak and/or fantastic to me, but maybe my
imagination isn't wild enough to come close to reality.


Ray D

* 'The Eerie Silence' - by Paul Davies

Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast



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