From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:48:16 +0100 Archived: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:14:39 -0400 Subject: Hynek, SETI & Alien Methods & Motives Hello List, Noticed recent threads and coincidentally was reading some stuff* by Paul Davies, of SETI 'Contact Committee' fame, and he mentioned that as a post-doc researcher he met Hynek a number of times, once at his home (with its roomful of 'dusty UFO files') and said that Hynek was convinced 'there was something in it ' (Hynek would've been speaking as to a fellow 'scientist') although admitting the small, inconclusive evidence for anything "seriously odd". Davies says that, much later, he personally came to see how 'deeply anthropocentric' most accounts seemed to be. He also observes that a similar parochialism had gripped SETI, and quotes Frank Drake: "Our signals of today are very different from the signals of 40 years ago, which we then felt were perfect models of what might be radiated from other worlds of any state of advancement" - "We were wrong. If technology can change that much in 40 years, how much might it change in thousands or millions of years". [Purely statistically, if we meet alien civs some or most of them are likely to be thousands, millions or billions of years ahead of us. That's a general statement - the exact (average) figure depends on the real age of the universe; and the best-fit models say that's a lot older than the 'standard model' is claiming. http://www.physorg.com/news199591806.html - "Model describes universe with no big bang, no beginning, and no end" www.perceptions.couk.com/creation.html#updates - 'Steady-State & Eternalist predictions of the CMBR were right - Big-Bang predictions were way too high'] Turning from 'methods' he then briefly considered the unanswerable question of how much 'motives' might change with a civilization's technological advances, giving the example that today information (or rather, certain data arrangements, as sold by say, Bill Gates), is valued, whereas 'yesterday' (last few hundred years) it was land, resources etc, and before that it was cattle and slaves (Yup, the 'classical' Greeks were basically cattle thieves and slave traders: read Xenophon). That's an interesting line of thought, given the transitions we've already seen. I.e - a seriously advanced civilization will have no desires for material resources, since all matter could be transmuted/teleported at will - or even in data, since a mature civ will've already classified everything of interest. What's left? Maybe the "details of uploaded memories"? Or the "patina of quality dreams"? Or the "romance of quirky imaginations"? Or the "platonic beauty of logical arguments"? (not mathematical - can't imagine even advanced aliens being 'fond' of mathematical tautologies). They all look a bit weak and/or fantastic to me, but maybe my imagination isn't wild enough to come close to reality. Cheers Ray D * 'The Eerie Silence' - by Paul Davies Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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