From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 23:42:01 +0100 Archived: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:07:48 -0400 Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken? >From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:31:16 +0100 >Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken? >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:17:24 +0100 >>Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken? >>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul> >>>To: post.nul >>>Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:08:15 -0600 >>>Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken? <snip> >>Mike you just reminded of something similarly spooky read and >>re-read a few days ago - >>"Humanity is bigger than any one individual, and it seems to >>have collective purposes of its own that individuals cannot >>easily detect, let alone grasp as a whole." >I think the most polite way I can describe that view is >'teleological >claptrap'. Gerald, you seem to have confused telelogy (a belief that things work towards a desired end or goal) with logical inductions or inferences drawn from observed events and trends; e.g. theories of 'evolution' as proposed by Wallace / Darwin and recently commented on by Penrose - see: www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/sep/m06-002.shtml which you would presumably also have to call 'teleological claptrap'. Interestingly some physicists (Smolin et al, and seperately JD Barrow et al) have proposed that the cat's-cradle of natural forces (the 'constants of nature') are changing over long time. Implying that: i) because the rules of the game are slowly changing, new forms of matter, including organics, are constantly arising and developing complexity - so the 'phase-space' of matter, life and consciousness increases; ii) accordingly there was probably an earlier era when the 'rules of the game' did not permit consciousness in such organic life as was established, and that changes in levels of consciousness proceeded not by evolution but by much longer 'step-changes' in the universal constants; which might explain the puzzling long 'pauses' - many hundreds of millennia - when humans (+ pre-homos) kept doing exactly the same simple procedures without _any_ improvements or inventions. - >Man is a social animal and often groups of men work together >with a common purpose. That's about as far as it goes. To reify >the whole of humanity into a meta-entity that is capable of >having a purpose mysteriously obscured from the individuals who >constitute that entity is a small step for two deluded men, but >a giant leap back into the dark ages for mankind. <snip> And there you seem to be trying to deny that a hive of bees, or a nest of termites 'thinks' in a different, more constructive way than is possible for the individual bee or termite - but that is certainly the case. To say that anything larger and more complex (or smaller and simpler) than a human can't be differently conscious smacks of anthropocentrism. Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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