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Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 23:42:01 +0100
Archived: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:07:48 -0400
Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:31:16 +0100
>Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:17:24 +0100
>>Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

>>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:08:15 -0600
>>>Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?


>>Mike you just reminded of something similarly spooky read and
>>re-read a few days ago -

>>"Humanity is bigger than any one individual, and it seems to
>>have collective purposes of its own that individuals cannot
>>easily detect, let alone grasp as a whole."

>I think the most polite way I can describe that view is

Gerald, you seem to have confused telelogy (a belief that things
work towards a desired end or goal) with logical inductions or
inferences drawn from observed events and trends; e.g. theories
of 'evolution' as proposed by Wallace / Darwin and recently
commented on by Penrose - see:


which you would presumably also have to call 'teleological

Interestingly some physicists (Smolin et al, and seperately JD
Barrow et al) have proposed that the cat's-cradle of natural
forces (the 'constants of nature') are changing over long time.
Implying that:

i) because the rules of the game are slowly changing, new forms
of matter, including organics, are constantly arising and
developing complexity - so the 'phase-space' of matter, life and
consciousness increases;

ii) accordingly there was probably an earlier era when the
'rules of the game' did not permit consciousness in such organic
life as was established, and that changes in levels of
consciousness proceeded not by evolution but by much longer
'step-changes' in the universal constants; which might explain
the puzzling long 'pauses' - many hundreds of millennia - when
humans (+ pre-homos) kept doing exactly the same simple
procedures without _any_ improvements or inventions. -

>Man is a social animal and often groups of men work together
>with a common purpose. That's about as far as it goes. To reify
>the whole of humanity into a meta-entity that is capable of
>having a purpose mysteriously obscured from the individuals who
>constitute that entity is a small step for two deluded men, but
>a giant leap back into the dark ages for mankind.


And there you seem to be trying to deny that a hive of bees, or
a nest of termites 'thinks' in a different, more constructive
way than is possible for the individual bee or termite - but
that is certainly the case.

To say that anything larger and more complex (or smaller and
simpler) than a human can't be differently conscious smacks of


Ray D

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