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Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:31:16 +0100
Archived: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:31:54 -0400
Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:17:24 +0100
>Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:08:15 -0600
>>Subject: Re: D'oh! Light Speed Threshold Broken?

>>I can't agree that "according a special status to consciousness"
>>amounts to anything like "anthropocentric conceit". Indeed, I
>>would contend that the "special" (perhaps metaphysical) nature
>>of consciousness argues for it being a property of the universe
>>itself, rather than of the human species. I.e., the whole thing
>>is sentient, not just (if even) us individually.

Well, Michael, if you don't have consciousness then your ability
to write about your doubt about having consciousness belongs
firmly in the realm of the truly inexplicable. In Cartesian
terms, you post, therefore you think (which, of course, doesn't
rule out posting before you think. as some members clearly

The universe certainly contains consciousness, but that is not
the same as saying that the universe is conscious, which is what
it would need to be for it to have consciousness as a property.
I'd suggest that the evidence for the universe not being
conscious is as strong as the evidence for your being conscious.

>Mike you just reminded of something similarly spooky read and
>re-read a few days ago -

>"Humanity is bigger than any one individual, and it seems to
>have collective purposes of its own that individuals cannot
>easily detect, let alone grasp as a whole."

I think the most polite way I can describe that view is 'teleological
Man is a social animal and often groups of men work together with a
common purpose. That's about as far as it goes. To reify the whole of
humanity into a meta-entity that is capable of having a purpose
mysteriously obscured from the individuals who constitute that entity is
a small step for two deluded men, but a giant leap back into the dark
ages for mankind. Far better that we preserve our dignity by taking
direct responsibility for the future and attempt to shape it according
to our best instincts.

>It wouldn't have resonated with me in a 'New Age' publication
>but that was written by a mathematician and a biologist; the
>Profs Stewart and Cohen

See, some mathematicians and biologists have got religion, some
have lost it, and some still need to find a 'meaning' to things.
That doesn't mean it's there.


Gerald O'Connell

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