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Re: Shirley MacLaine

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 13:40:15 -0500
Archived: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:32:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Shirley MacLaine


>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:11:42 -0300
>Subject: Re: Shirley MacLaine

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:27:27 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Shirley MacLaine

>>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:15:43 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Shirley MacLaine

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 21:06:09 +0100
>>>>Subject: Re: Shirley MacLaine

>>>>>From: Carol Maltby <carolmaltby.nul>
>>>>>To: post.nul
>>>>>Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:48:55 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Re: Shirley MacLaine

>>>>I know that many of the ideas often labelled "New Age" are
>>>>anathema to those of you who think UFOs are a strictly nut-and-
>>>>bolts phenomenon. But there are enough high strangeness and
>>>>anomalous physical experiences in many UFO reports to warrant
>>>>examination by those who are more comfortable exploring ideas
>>>>about non-ordinary reality.

>>>Right Carol, fully agree, Someone coincidentally posted me this
>>>link to The Dark Side Of The Looking Glass - Richard Lang's
>>>web-page at:

>>>where he argues that [male?] ufologists and investigators
>>>routinely distort and misrepresent witnesses reports, especially
>>>where 'high strangeness' and psychic effects are being
>>>described.

>>Well if Lang says so, it must be true. Never heard of the guy.

>Don,

>>The guiding philosophy:

>>When the facts and the history don't support you*, revive
>>the gender wars and rescue gender essentialism from the dustbin.

>>How reactionary. How boring.

>>Jerry Clark

>>*See, for example, "Paranormal and Occult Theories About UFOs"
>>in my UFO Encyclopedia, 2nd ed., 1998, pp. 696-713, for a
>>reality check.

>These people come out of the woodwork, put up a snappy site,
>blog some of the usual crap and all of a sudden they get quoted
>as if they are some kind of expert.

>I presume that Lang has gone through every case investigated by
>males over the last 70 years and has come up with this
>conclusion.

>Where did he find the time?

>He doesn't know me, he doesn't know you or dozens of other male
>researchers, investigators or posters on these lists but Ray
>thinks Lang's opinion is worth posting.

Hi, Don,

Ideologues don't have to bother with irrelevant matters such as
"facts," "evidence," or even "arguments." Those are reserved
for us mopes.

I've been thinking today of two much-missed, departed
colleagues, Isabel Davis and Coral Lorenzen, who must be rolling
in their graves at the moment.

Davis - whom a prominent ufologist once characterized to me as
the most intelligent person he'd ever met in this field - and
Lorenzen helped create and shape American ufology in its early
days (and in Lorenzen's well into its middle age). Both argued
for nuts-and-bolts UFOs and spurned "non-ordinary realities"
(i.e., paranormal/occult) advocates and approaches. When I was
young and na=EFve, I even got into a heated argument with Lorenzen
on the subject.

Leslie Kean, who is the most prominent woman in current American
ufology (and, via her many media appearances in respectable
venues, something of a spokesperson for all of us), favors
scientific and ETH-focused approaches. Apparently there are
people out there who believe Shirley MacLaine ought to replace
her.

But then, these are facts, and who needs them when you can just
make up sh*t?


Jerry Clark



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