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Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 22:17:44 -0400
Archived: Mon, 30 May 2011 04:56:37 -0400
Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>From: Martin Shough<parcellular.nul>
>Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:23:58 +0100
>Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>>From: William Treurniet<wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 16:33:19 -0400
>>Subject: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>>I took a closer look at a photo that is supposedly of a Nazi
>>Haunebu II saucer craft first tested in 1942. The enhanced
>>shows what appears to be a toroidal optical anomaly extending
>>below the craft. To see the photo, go to


>>and click on 1942Haunebu II at the end of the index list.

>>I've been saying for some time that such a torus is a property
>>of the saucer craft that appear in many photos of UFOs that are
>>publicly available. My working hypothesis is that a toroidal
>>field is generated by the craft's propulsion system. Under
>>certain conditions, the field can affect the propagation of
>>light so that it becomes visible to a camera.

>>I am not aware of any proof that the photo was taken in Germany
>>by the Nazis. It may have been taken in 1942 or perhaps much
>>later. Or it may equally well be a picture of a Russian or
>>American design taken any time after the war ended. Or it may
>>even be a photo of an ET craft that someone attributed to the
>>Nazis for some reason.

>>In any case, the presence of the toroidal optical anomaly is
>>good evidence, at least to me, that the photo is not a hoax.
>>Further, it suggests that the craft likely used a novel
>>technology for propulsion.

>Hi William

>Your 'toroid' is beyond any reasonable doubt a lens flare. It is
>aligned with three other obvious flares on a diagonal running
>through the centre of the sun and the (approximate) centre of the
>field of view (as shown on the image which I sent you off-List).
>The fact that the first flare appears just under the saucer is
>evidently happenstance.

>Of course this doesn't say anything about the status of the
>photo or of the "saucer" (Nazi or otherwise).

Hi Martin, I had not considered that the effect may be a lens
flare. To follow up on your comment, I'm going to change the
game slightly, and it may or may not affect your conclusion. The
photo I used initially turned out to be a crop of another photo.
This larger photo shows a large lens flare kitty-corner to the
sun in the image. I replaced the photo in my article with the
larger photo, and included the overlay that you drew on the
photo sent to me off-list. This overlay appears on the equalized
version of the photo in the addendum at the bottom of the page.

Following your procedure, I drew a diagonal line between the
center of the flare and the center of the sun. You argued that
any other lens flares in the photo should fall on this line. The
two small whitish spots do fall close to this line as does a
small circle over the tree trunk, but the area of interest under
the craft clearly is almost entirely beside the line.

The lens flare at bottom left of the photo is a perfect circle
and it has a yellow tint that corresponds to the color of the
sun at the upper right. So this is clearly a lens flare.
However, the area under the craft has a color that is more like
the color of the field beneath. It should be much yellower if it
were a lens flare caused by the sun. Further, its shape is not
at all circular in the plane of the image.

I must, therefore, differ with your conclusion that the object
beneath the craft is a lens flare. Its position, shape and color
are not consistent with that conclusion.

I should also point out that I would not expect anyone to agree
with my conclusion on the basis of just this one photo. A torus
appears beneath a craft in a couple of other photos. In
particular, look at the one labeled 'roof'. The enhanced version
of this picture shows clearly a large toroidal shape between the
craft and the rooftop. The photo labeled '1963Peralta1' also
shows a torus just below the craft. In both cases, the craft is
hovering near the ground. When it is higher up in the sky, most
of the other photos show that the torus is still asymmetrically
in contact with the craft, but it can extend from the craft at
any angle.


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