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Re: Radar Detection Of UFOs

From: Ralph Howard <rhjr.nul>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 16:02:53 -0400
Archived: Sun, 15 May 2011 09:32:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Radar Detection Of UFOs


>From: Peter Davenport <director.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:37:06 -0700
>Subject: Re: Radar Detection Of UFOs

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:37:21 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Radar Detection Of UFOs

>>>From: Ralph Howard <rhjr.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
>>>Subject: Radar Detection Of UFOs [was: SETI Summary]

<snip>

>>>... keeping up with this website makes a lot of
>>>sense, because of the potential for NEXRAD recording something
>>>anomalous.

>>It is intriguing. I want to take a closer look. Thanks for the
>>tip.

>>Martin Shough

>Ralph and Martin,

>Thank you both for your informed and edifying comments about the
>NEXRAD radar system. I learned a great deal about that system
>from what the two of you have written above.

>The principal shortcoming of that type of "active" radar for
>detecting short-lived, and high-velocity, targets is as Martin
>describes... the system might not detect them at all. Therein
>lies the advantage of using a "passive" radar system, which
>detects targets in all directions simultaneously, and does so on
>a virtually continuous basis. An "active" radar radiates a thin
>"pencil" of electromagnetic radiation, which "sweeps" a target
>intermittently, which can be defeated easily; a "passive" system
>radiates in all directions, and does so as long as the signal of
>choice is being transmitted. For details of such a system, I
>would recommend a search of the web for the "Naval Space
>Surveillance System," which uses a 742,000 watt "passive"
>system, based in Lake Kickapoo, Texas.

>I believe that the "passive" system I describe in my paper
>proposes a system that sidesteps the shortcomings of an "active"
>system, for reasons that Martin correctly identifies in his
>comments above.

>I am just leaving for the McMinnville, Oregon, conference, but
>will respond to any comments, upon my return.


Thanks Martin and you also Peter for bringing out these points.
One thing to each of you - Peter, I've read about your idea for
a passive system and for what little it's worth I agree 100% it
would do the job. Martin, the first time I saw some of your
posts here in recent years, I looked through my 200+ UFO books
and grabbed my copy of UFOs 1947-1987 and saw that "Yep, it's
_that_ Martin Shough!" I remembered your article (Radar And The
UFO I think), and I'm honored to converse with you. (That is
you, right?) The wonders of the Internet age...

So - these shortcomings you point out, Martin. I guess a
question I'd ask you is, given NEXRAD shortcomings, if Dr. Fries
and his crew deem the system worthy of monitoring for meteor re-
entries, might we on the UFO side also _potentially_ expect to
see anomalous returns of interest? Not that I myself have the
time, I've got all I can handle in GA! But how valuable, or not,
do you think it might be if Somebody in UFO research somewhere,
can keep up with it? Call this question 1.

Question 2 might be, what about in UFO case work? For UFO
sightings I've pitched within MUFON the idea of looking at
NEXRAD (and I'm not the first) (but lately, might be!) because
the data are free & fast & easy to get. And, can be ordered for
dates say 1, 6 or 12 months back. Obviously the short sighting
durations versus NEXRAD's 6-minute-apart or 10-minute-apart
updates are a problem, but we do have long-duration sightings
and on some of them (multiple witnesses, bright colored lights,
substantial altitude & stationary behavior) I might argue that a
_lack_ of a return is telling us something (i.e. it really ought
to be there).  So - what do you think of its value when
investigating selected cases that have, say, long durations and
are high up enough to be above ground clutter? The technical
material you can find online says NEXRAD can and does detect
birds, insect swarms, aircraft, and so on. Why not UFOs?

I'm travelling next week on business and likely can't reply, but
I'd be delighted to hear what you think on these points. You
also, Peter...



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