From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:21:24 -0600 Archived: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:34:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered >From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:18:46 +0100 >Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:37:05 -0500 >>Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered >>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul> >>>To: post.nul >>>Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 19:39:08 -0600 >>>Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered >>>Question to anyone: Who actually invited Barauna and the diving >>>club onboard, and when? If it was Bacellar himself, the plot >>>would thicken considerably. >>Then again, maybe not. Martin, I will consolidate my delayed replies here, including your post this morning with the additional reference to Barauna's Jan 1967 written statement, of which I was aware. Some of the references in your reply to my 09 May post were new to me, and appreciated. I had gathered previously, primarily from Fontes' material, that the Navy (generically) had issued the invitation to the Icarai diving club. Like yourself, I find no indication of from whom or when. Bacellar had a solid technical background, in addition to being commanding officer of the post itself. I think he could well have been personally responsible for issuing solicitations for civilian technical support for IGY activities at Trindade, but that is only speculation at this point. <snip> >But we need to remember that Capt Bacellar was 700 miles away on >the island at the time the Almirante Saldanha was preparing for >this voyage, and had been there for over 2 months. Personal >communication in those days was not simple, probably limited to >official channels. There were no telephone landlines. No mobile >phones. No satellite. No postal deliveries except when the >resupply ship arrived from Rio at the end of each operational >tour. Too far for carrier pigeons. > >The evidence is that Bacellar reported nothing through Navy >channels about any UFOs until 31 Dec 1957, and there's no >evidence that the Navy Command made any response until Jan 6 >1958 instructing Bacellar to provide further information. This >was the start of the Navy Investigation. These communications >(note) were _encrypted_ radiograms. If we are to accord any credence to Fontes' material in the APRO Bulletins of early 1960, we should at least note his contention that in late November 1957, Bacellar witnessed, and communicated to the Navy, a UFO sighting of his own that occurred during a meteorological balloon launch. Fontes makes clear distinction between this and later incidents. In any case, the general issue of encrypted communication is important to discuss. I wouldn't dispute that communications from Bacellar to Naval superiors regarding UFOs would likely have been classified and encrypted as a matter of course, but I question whether _all_ communications from Trindade were encrypted. This was not wartime, and as far as I know, the post had no sensitive/covert military or intelligence function. While strong encryption is taken for granted in modern times, it would not have been nearly so straightforward at Trindade, and any meaningful level of security would likely have involved significant overhead activity (access to secure rooms/containers, generation/destruction of cipher keys, logging of sessions, etc). It seems unreasonable that there would have been no provision for routine unclassified radio communication between Trindade and the mainland, e.g., for contact with civilian contractors/vendors and family members, even if it required a naval intermediary on the mainland. But admittedly, I have no familiarity with 1950's Brazilian naval security or communication protocols. I should think that records in the Trindade Documentation Service utilized by Borges would clear this up readily. >So if we are considering a prior set-up arranged between >Bacellar and Barauna then we have to suppose some very advanced >planning to ensure that the Icarai Club would be the subject of >the next Navy Invitation... <snip> Which of course would be straightforward if Bacellar himself were coordinating these invitations (or at least the ones associated with Trindade). Paraphrasing your five scenarios: >1) Barauna was tipped off shortly before the trip, and before >embarking managed to prepare a hoax. He then staged the >"sighting" himself. >2) Barauna proceeded as per 1) and enlisted Capt Bacellar into >his scheme... >3) Barauna learned about the island sightings only when he >arrived at Trindade or during the trip, and had no prepared >hoax, but enlisted Capt Bacellar on the spot... >4) Barauna arrived at Trindade innocently, did not stage the >sighting, and photographed "something" real, maybe a seagull. >5) It all happened much as the principals said it did. <snip> >...I am sceptical of a great deal of the sceptical >argumentation, which IMO does not do the advertised job of >making scenarios 1) to 4) very attractive. Agreed, and I am considering an equally (if not more) unattractive Scenario 0): Bacellar was the actual instigator, starting the ball rolling in Nov 1957, and, perhaps aware of Bacellar's talent and earlier exploits, recruiting him into the scheme under cover of support for the IGY expedition. Absurd as such a scenario sounds, I see it as a loophole that needs to be closed. If it can be shown that timely communication (say, before January 1958) between Bacellar and Barauna was extremely unlikely or even impossible, I think it would not only serve to absolve Bacellar, but noticeably undercut the hoax allegations against Barauna as well. Mike Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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