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Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:20:16 -0500
Archived: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:31:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered


>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:39:44 -0600
>Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:41:37 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered

>>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:20:25 -0600
>>>Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered

>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:37:05 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered

>>>>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>>>>To: post.nul
>>>>>Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 19:39:08 -0600
>>>>>Subject: Re: Trindade Navy Documents Discovered

>>>>Question to anyone: Who actually invited Barauna and the diving
>>>>club onboard, and when? If it was Bacellar himself, the plot
>>>>would thicken considerably.

<snip>

>>That seems reasonable. My comment was not directed at you
>>personally, but it expressed a general concern about some of
>>what I see on this List re Trindade. Namely, at least some of
>>the "investigation" seems directed less at uncovering the facts,
>>wherever they fall, than at proving a hoax; thus the necessity
>>for some (I don't mean you) of consistently inferring the very
>>worst about those whose testimony favors the case.

>Actually, I would concede that in benchmark cases such as this
>(and, e.g., the Kenneth Arnold sighting), I have a tendency to
>put the evidence bar _very_ high, and, yes, to generally assume
>the worst. These early classic cases are high-value targets, and
>I think a very conservative approach is called for. Here I
>sympathize with Sagan.

My own views on matters like these have evolved over the years
and grown ever more nuanced.

Basically, I beg to differ with the sentiment expressed above. I
consider "skepticism" - of which assumption of the worst is an
operating principle - as much a psychosocial construct as its
opposite. Consequently, in my observation, old ways of thinking,
con as much as pro, have serious pitfalls, prominent among them
unexamined beliefs and presumptions, which have short-circuited
progress in addressing the thorny questions raised by anomalous-
experience claims. We need to seek out approaches that are at
once more modest and more creative.

One of these days, when I've thought my way through this (and,
moreover, have finished the book I'm currently writing), I'll
endeavor to lay out my conclusions in a fully argued essay. In
the meantime, this is a discussion for another time.


Jerry Clark




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