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Nuke Monitor Debris [was: News Links - 03-05-11]

From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 18:25:15 -0600
Archived: Sat, 07 May 2011 07:48:47 -0400
Subject: Nuke Monitor Debris [was: News Links - 03-05-11]

>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:48:45 +0000
>Subject: Re: News Links - 03-05-11

>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 09:45:40 -0600
>>Subject: Re: News Links - 03-05-11

>>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:29:14 +0000
>>>Subject: Re: News Links - 03-05-11

>>>>Project Mogul, UFOs And Soviet Nuclear Detonations
>>>>Kevin Randle


>>>Actually, there are two spheres containing nitrogen. Some forms
>>>of nitrogen are very stable and other compounds are not. Think
>>>ammonium nitrate fertilizer and how it has been used as an
>>>explosive ingredient. Therefore, under certain specific
>>>conditions, it can explode. Perhaps, if a sphere filled with N2
>>>is hit by lightning.

>>Molecular nitrogen (N2) is quite chemically inert, and cannot be
>>made to 'explode' via lightning or other energy input. Indeed,
>>N2 is a _product_ of the detonation of nitrogen-bearing
>>explosives, effectively recovering the energy required to break
>>the strong triple bond in N2.

>Thanks for correcting my suggestion of lightening strike causing
>breakup of device. Could there be another reason it would have
>exploded? To me, N2 under pressure seemed a bit unstable. Are
>you saying that it is not?

I didn't mean to suggest that lightning couldn't have caused a
breakup of the device, just that it wouldn't induce a
chemically-driven explosion of the N2.

Clearly, any gas under high pressure can produce an explosion if
its containment vessel fails, and it's not unreasonable to
suppose that a lightning strike could have caused such failure.
However, a point failure in a pressurized metal tank would be
unlikely to shatter it (or nearby metallic structures) into
numerous small fragments/shards, even at very high pressures. I
would expect the balloon skin material to remain relatively
contiguous as well.

On the other hand, per a previous (Apr 2007) post to David
Rudiak in a similar discussion, I think it's conceivable that a
lightning strike on a rubbery balloon material with a metallic
paint/coating could produce extremely high loading rates via
catastrophic resistive heating and thereby induce brittle
failure (shattering), sufficient to produce a widespread debris
field. But again, even assuming simultaneous bursting of the N2
tanks, the debris would almost certainly include recognizable
remnants of the structure/payload.


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