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Re: News Links - 03-05-11

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:29:14 +0000
Archived: Thu, 05 May 2011 09:10:00 -0400
Subject: Re: News Links - 03-05-11

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>Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:08:59 -0400
>Subject: UFO UpDate: News Links - 03-05-11


>Project Mogul, UFOs And Soviet Nuclear Detonations
>Kevin Randle


In response to your question in your blog (basically, what else
could it have been?), please see a section of my manuscript:


The AECís Medical Section was established in 1947 as part of the
transition of Manhattan Engineer District into the AEC. It means
Groves had a hand in establishing a laboratory whose primary
purpose would be long range monitoring of nuclear air borne
particles. At this point in time, the head of the AEC, David
Lillienthal, was barely on speaking terms with Groves. Maybe it
had something to do with the fact that Grovesí organization had
the one and only American atomic bomb in 1947.

Groves had started a couple of different long range monitoring
projects. Some of them had nothing to do with atmospheric sound
channels. The name of the project we are interested in? Unknown.

It is not even possible to guess. Miller and Larsen (Spying
without Spies) name some of the more modern systems. For
example, AUTORAMP and CINDERELLA.STUK. Both systems developed by
private companies (The Development of Field-Based Measurement
Methods for Radioactive Fallout Assessment," Health Physics, May
2002, Volume 82, No. 5) using specifications supplied by EML.
But the authors do provide names for the older projects.

Eventually, the EML would be the agency charged with the
sampling needs for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty
(CTBT). Nuclear particle monitoring is still being done as part
of CTBT. Whether that still involves aerosol sampling using
equipment mounted on a gondola for balloon-borne high altitude
sampling is not known. As recently as May, 2007, the work of
EML, after decades, was split and transferred between Los Alamos
National Laboratory and the Pacific Northwest National
Laboratory on the recommendation of Department of Homeland
Security. What this means to the investigative researcher - like
myself - is that there is no avenue available to interview the
authors of the cited article. Therefore, because this author
does not have a doctorate in nuclear science, nor worked on any
monitoring project, speculation will replace documentation.
Although the speculation will be based on the documentation
available. Which brings us to the aerosol sampling equipment
used in high altitude monitoring.


The following information was contained in an article I wrote
for Paranoia magazine. The article included a photo of the


The aerosol sampler is a very strange looking assembly. (A photo
of the aerosol sampler is shown as Figure 8 in the article cited
above.) I am going to quote a section describing the balloon
samplers: "Since large-volume filter samplers for high-altitude
balloons were nonexistent, General Mills engineers had to design
the original filter sampler. The sampler utilized a Torrington
403 blower to pull air through a five square foot filter of low
background, low-pressure drop IPC paper manufactured by the
Institute of Paper Chemistry. Air flow was based on the
telemetered blower rpm and altitude."

It would seem the early sampling assemblies were patched
together using off the shelf and design specific technology.

"Deficiencies (poor filtering efficiency) in the original
sampler due to low face velocities resulted in the development
of the direct flow filter sampler (DF). The filter area was
reduced to 0.093 m2 (1 ft2) to increase the flow rate and the
Torrington 704 blower was powered by a 388 W (0.52 hp)
Westinghouse aircraft motor. An intercomparison between the DF
filter sampler and the original design indicated two to three
times more activity per thousand standard cubic feet were
obtained by the DF sampler. As a result the DF replaced the
original sampler in 1960."

The Figure 8 photo shows what looks like two long tail pipes
attached to a round metal scaffolding to keep the air ejectors
upright and in place. The power unit is on its own scaffolding,
but attached between the two air ejectors. "Samples at the
higher altitudes (>32km) were more effectively collected by an
air ejector pump. The air ejector acts as a pump by aspirating
large quantities of N2 gas. The N2 used by the air ejector was
carried on the balloon in large titanium spheres. A larger model
air eject system, identified as HV3K, used 0.74 m2 (8ft2) of IPC
filter paper, and filters about 50% more air than the original
air eject unit. A balloon sampling package featuring an air
eject system is shown in Fig. 8."

The DF for high altitude air ejection systems was much larger
than for ground filter systems. The DF insert in the larger
system could have been called "Big Sucker" or "Pete." Could this
filter have been material that was packed into a light weight
box and transported by a special flight to Washington, D.C.
after partial retrieval from FRE (Foster Ranch Event - my term)?

The labeling under Figure 8: "Aerosol sampling equipment mounted
on a gondala(sp?) for balloon-borne high-altitude sampling. The
long vertical tube was the inlet of the Air Ejector which acted
as a pump by aspirating large quantities of N2 gas stored in the
large sphere." Would any of the soil samples or bits or pieces
from the Roswell Dig suggest the solution to the crash was an
EML gondola?

Actually, there are two spheres containing nitrogen. Some forms
of nitrogen are very stable and other compounds are not. Think
ammonium nitrate fertilizer and how it has been used as an
explosive ingredient. Therefore, under certain specific
conditions, it can explode. Perhaps, if a sphere filled with N2
is hit by lightning. As long as we are postulating that
something crashed at FRE, letís speculate even further. What if
the above described assembly exploded and fragmented. It would
not looked like anything NYU would have been testing. How would
the imagination of the individual coming across the pieces put
them together. Obviously, not a weather balloon. Of course,
there is a balloon involved. A very large balloon array because
the payload must have weighed at least 500 pounds. Maybe more.
We are trying to account for a very large debris field. There is
no way to know what the payload would have weighed because
anybody who could have answered that question has disappeared/is
not available/transferred to Los Alamos or Pacific Northwest
Lab. So we have to guess. Judging from the photograph, the air
ejectors look to be at least 20 to 30 feet high; this is using
the loading dock roll-up door in the photo. Weíre guessing here,
but there would be much more material than a weather balloon.
And, what about those two strange looking spheres? Would they
have survived impact? In what condition? Could someone have
imagined tail pipes of some strange vehicle attached to the
spheres was an ET vehicle? In the debris field, the discovererís
imagination could have thought the smashed material of the
spheres look like parts of a space craft. The scaffolding
imagined to form the body? Did anyone from the retrieval team
think to take a photo of the debris field? Or, have those photos
now been transferred to either the archives at Los Alamos or
Pacific Northwest Lab. Just in case someone thought they had
some value. Or maybe, to the project leader, it was just another
crash. No need to take photos. Just collect the
recording/monitoring equipment - if it was still in tact - and
analyze whatever was left of the test flight.


There is more where this came from. Of course, the reference is
to KK, the author.

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