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Hypnosis & Abduction [was: The Assassination Of

From: Emma Woods <e.woods33.nul>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:28:25 -0700 (PDT)
Archived: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:08:04 -0500
Subject: Hypnosis & Abduction [was: The Assassination Of


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:21:19 -0600
>Subject: Re: The Assassination Of Hopkins & Cortile

>Sean Meers's current investigative paper and his
>forthcoming, much larger one on Budd Hopkins-related
>matters ought to serve as an object lesson, at least to
>those who can be taught.

Sean Meer's investigative paper really does not stand up
to proper examination.

For example, in Meers' new and updated final version of
his article, on Page 40, he says:


"Lie#8"

"JEFF: Yeah. That's exactly. You know one other things
that I think I had mentioned on the last show is that, we're
not only going up against this notion of hypnosis, alien
abduction in the common scenario that has been put forth
over decades now. You're also talking about... and Tyler,
I'm going to assume this probably happened in science as
well as that, we're actually pointing out a corner stone
because this is just above alien abduction in that scenario.

It's about everything has been built on top of that
foundation that we're finding out is built on sand. And
so the building is not stable to begin with. So it's not only
going against the belief's [sic] something like Carol said,
and the commonality of the notion of, okay, here what's
going on because we got all these data compiled from
hypnosis, but also everything has been built upon that for
years now. I mean go out there, read the message board.
So I mean that's exactly what the problem is."


I think that it is clear that Jeff Ritzmann was voicing here
an opinion on the use of hypnosis in the field. Whether
you agree with it or not, it is a legitimate opinion. No
reasonable person could possibly think that it was a "lie"
as Sean Meers tries to portray it as.

In my opinion Sean's characterization of Jeff's obviously
legitimate opinion as "LIE#8" makes it appear as if he is
desperately trying to come up with a list of "lies" and has
resorting to labeling as a lie a statement that is nothing
of the sort to do it.

Under the title "FACT", Sean then goes on to say:

"Scott O. Lilienfeld, a professor of Psychology, was a guest on
Paratopia and shared his qualified views on the subject of
hypnosis. Professor Lilienfeld acknowledges that hypnosis can
produce false memories but he also acknowledges that accurate
memories can be retrieved also. With the potential for the
retrieval of accurate memories through hypnosis being
acknowledged, but not endorsed, by Professor Lilienfeld there is
every reason to continue using and further refining the study
and use of hypnosis in the field of memory retrieval.  Professor
Lilienfeld's conclusions on hypnosis were objective, informed,
scientific and respectable and he had a healthy curiosity for
any new data that might become available on the subject.
Professor Lilienfeld has not personally witnessed firsthand Budd
Hopkins conduct a hypnotic regression with an abductee."

As a reference, on page 165, Meers provides a screen shot of an
email from Dr. Lilienfeld in which he says:

"I do suspect that hypnosis will occasionally lead individuals
to report vague or inchoate memories that they had previously
withheld; some of these memories may be accurate but many or
most will not be, as most research indicates."

In my opinion Meers appears to be trying to focus on Dr.
Lilienfeld's statement that some hypnotic memories may be
accurate, together with a characterization of Dr. Lilienfeld's
conclusions as "objective, informed, scientific and
respectable", in a manner that is reminiscent of sleight of hand
to try to support a "fact" that there is reason to continue
using hypnosis.

However, Dr. Lilienfeld made it very clear in his interview on
the Paratopia show that he does not believe that the use of
hypnosis for memory retrieval is reliable or valid.

http://www.cyberears.com/index.php/Browse/playaudio/8658

Sean Meers' characterization of Jeff Ritzmann's legitimate
opinion on hypnosis as "Lie#8", and his misrepresentation of Dr.
Lilienfeld's views on hypnosis as a "fact" in response to this
supposed "lie", is just one of numerous problems throughout
Meers' article.



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