From: Emma Woods <e.woods33.nul> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Archived: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:08:04 -0500 Subject: Hypnosis & Abduction [was: The Assassination Of >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:21:19 -0600 >Subject: Re: The Assassination Of Hopkins & Cortile >Sean Meers's current investigative paper and his >forthcoming, much larger one on Budd Hopkins-related >matters ought to serve as an object lesson, at least to >those who can be taught. Sean Meer's investigative paper really does not stand up to proper examination. For example, in Meers' new and updated final version of his article, on Page 40, he says: "Lie#8" "JEFF: Yeah. That's exactly. You know one other things that I think I had mentioned on the last show is that, we're not only going up against this notion of hypnosis, alien abduction in the common scenario that has been put forth over decades now. You're also talking about... and Tyler, I'm going to assume this probably happened in science as well as that, we're actually pointing out a corner stone because this is just above alien abduction in that scenario. It's about everything has been built on top of that foundation that we're finding out is built on sand. And so the building is not stable to begin with. So it's not only going against the belief's [sic] something like Carol said, and the commonality of the notion of, okay, here what's going on because we got all these data compiled from hypnosis, but also everything has been built upon that for years now. I mean go out there, read the message board. So I mean that's exactly what the problem is." I think that it is clear that Jeff Ritzmann was voicing here an opinion on the use of hypnosis in the field. Whether you agree with it or not, it is a legitimate opinion. No reasonable person could possibly think that it was a "lie" as Sean Meers tries to portray it as. In my opinion Sean's characterization of Jeff's obviously legitimate opinion as "LIE#8" makes it appear as if he is desperately trying to come up with a list of "lies" and has resorting to labeling as a lie a statement that is nothing of the sort to do it. Under the title "FACT", Sean then goes on to say: "Scott O. Lilienfeld, a professor of Psychology, was a guest on Paratopia and shared his qualified views on the subject of hypnosis. Professor Lilienfeld acknowledges that hypnosis can produce false memories but he also acknowledges that accurate memories can be retrieved also. With the potential for the retrieval of accurate memories through hypnosis being acknowledged, but not endorsed, by Professor Lilienfeld there is every reason to continue using and further refining the study and use of hypnosis in the field of memory retrieval. Professor Lilienfeld's conclusions on hypnosis were objective, informed, scientific and respectable and he had a healthy curiosity for any new data that might become available on the subject. Professor Lilienfeld has not personally witnessed firsthand Budd Hopkins conduct a hypnotic regression with an abductee." As a reference, on page 165, Meers provides a screen shot of an email from Dr. Lilienfeld in which he says: "I do suspect that hypnosis will occasionally lead individuals to report vague or inchoate memories that they had previously withheld; some of these memories may be accurate but many or most will not be, as most research indicates." In my opinion Meers appears to be trying to focus on Dr. Lilienfeld's statement that some hypnotic memories may be accurate, together with a characterization of Dr. Lilienfeld's conclusions as "objective, informed, scientific and respectable", in a manner that is reminiscent of sleight of hand to try to support a "fact" that there is reason to continue using hypnosis. However, Dr. Lilienfeld made it very clear in his interview on the Paratopia show that he does not believe that the use of hypnosis for memory retrieval is reliable or valid. http://www.cyberears.com/index.php/Browse/playaudio/8658 Sean Meers' characterization of Jeff Ritzmann's legitimate opinion on hypnosis as "Lie#8", and his misrepresentation of Dr. Lilienfeld's views on hypnosis as a "fact" in response to this supposed "lie", is just one of numerous problems throughout Meers' article. Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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