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Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:07:39 EST
Archived: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 13:11:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case 


>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:32:40 +0100
>Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:16:42 EST
>>Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case

>><snip>

>So, while you might not find the information probable, it is
>important to understanding what is going on. Dismissing it
>doesn't change the relevance of it.

Gildas, List, All =E2=80=93.,

>Even if Betty and Barney Hill were not completely ignorant of SF
>imagery, although they were not very interested, the main point
>remains that Dr Simon tried repeatedly to convince them, under
>hypnosis, that they had been dreaming, but he failed completely.
>He admitted finally that, to them, their story was real.

My point was that you simply can't be ignorant of these cultural
elements because they are so pervasive. Even if Barney did not
regularly watch The Twilight Zone because of his own interests
or work schedule, there was always the possibility that he had
seen an episode or two or that he had seen a promo for the show
or something of that nature.

>That brings up a couple of points:

>First, even a good professional may not be able to influence
>witnesses under hypnosis. They can resist.

Certainly they can resist, however the evidence suggests that
the implantation of ideas is simple and there is a 'desire to
please the operator (hypnotist)' that allows for the
implantation of ideas. Just read Hopkins and Jacobs carefully
and you'll see they return to the same point time and again. And
remember that John Mack recognized this as a matching of the
researcher and the experiencer. (Or just read the relevant
sections of The Abduction Enigma to see what the abduction
researchers say about one another.

Jacobs describes a woman who came to him believing her
abduction experience was pleasant and left with the horror of
Jacobs' ideas. See the story of Pam Martin starting on page
24 of The Threat.

>Second, the critique made against Budd Hopkins and others of
>influencing witnesses under hypnosis and of being unethical, can
>be made againt Dr Simon, the eminent professional, in the first
>place. That's exacly what he did!

Remember that there is a difference between a researcher and a
therapist, which is why there often comes a point where research
and therapy collide. Simon was there as a therapist so that his
methodology and his goals were different than those of the
researcher. He did nothing unethical in his work as a therapist.


Kevin


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