From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:07:39 EST Archived: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 13:11:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case >From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:32:40 +0100 >Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:16:42 EST >>Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case >><snip> >So, while you might not find the information probable, it is >important to understanding what is going on. Dismissing it >doesn't change the relevance of it. Gildas, List, All =E2=80=93., >Even if Betty and Barney Hill were not completely ignorant of SF >imagery, although they were not very interested, the main point >remains that Dr Simon tried repeatedly to convince them, under >hypnosis, that they had been dreaming, but he failed completely. >He admitted finally that, to them, their story was real. My point was that you simply can't be ignorant of these cultural elements because they are so pervasive. Even if Barney did not regularly watch The Twilight Zone because of his own interests or work schedule, there was always the possibility that he had seen an episode or two or that he had seen a promo for the show or something of that nature. >That brings up a couple of points: >First, even a good professional may not be able to influence >witnesses under hypnosis. They can resist. Certainly they can resist, however the evidence suggests that the implantation of ideas is simple and there is a 'desire to please the operator (hypnotist)' that allows for the implantation of ideas. Just read Hopkins and Jacobs carefully and you'll see they return to the same point time and again. And remember that John Mack recognized this as a matching of the researcher and the experiencer. (Or just read the relevant sections of The Abduction Enigma to see what the abduction researchers say about one another. Jacobs describes a woman who came to him believing her abduction experience was pleasant and left with the horror of Jacobs' ideas. See the story of Pam Martin starting on page 24 of The Threat. >Second, the critique made against Budd Hopkins and others of >influencing witnesses under hypnosis and of being unethical, can >be made againt Dr Simon, the eminent professional, in the first >place. That's exacly what he did! Remember that there is a difference between a researcher and a therapist, which is why there often comes a point where research and therapy collide. Simon was there as a therapist so that his methodology and his goals were different than those of the researcher. He did nothing unethical in his work as a therapist. Kevin Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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