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Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:16:42 EST
Archived: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:42:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case


[One of 'Back-Fills' that got away and made it to the List
 prompted this reply from Kevin... Note the dates below --ebk]

>From: Gildas Bourdais <gbourdais.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:24:12 +0200
>Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case

>>From: Christopher Allan <cda.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:08:09 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case

>>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:48:53 -0300
>>>Subject: Sakulich And The Betty & Barney Hill Case

><snip>

>>Although these were not abductions they can be regarded as a
>>bridge between abductions and the 1950s contactees, and might
>>have influenced Betty's mind. What was Dr Simon's view on the
>>effect of such books on her? Also, does anyone know for certain
>>if Betty had read Truman Bethurum's contactee story? Some have
>>surmised that she had, but do we really know? She need not have
>>read the original Bethurum booklet, since the tale was reprinted
>>in Gavin Gibbons' 1958 book "They Rode in Space Ships".


>Christopher and all,

>From the book, The Interrupted Journey, that he wrote with J.
>Fuller, it appears that Dr Simon did not worry about that. He
>was convinced that the Hill were not lying and were not
>hallucinating (pp. 226 and 227 ot the Dell paperback edition).

>This left the possibilities of dreams or of a real event, for
>their abduction story, as retrieved under hypnosis. And since he
>could not believe it was real, he tried as much as he could to
>convince them that they had dreamt.

>It is obvious in the transcripts of the hypnosis sessions - he
>tried all the time to convince them of that, but both Betty and
>Barney denied it firmly. Barney also denied that Betty could
>have influenced him (see pp. 228, 235, 257, 261, 278, 282, 329).
>So the idea that Betty and Barney would have imagined their
>story after reading Ufo books, and/or science-fiction stories
>(Kevin Randle cited a film in his book) seems to me to be
>extremely improbable.


Gildas, List , All =E2=80=93

I believe the argument was that Budd Hopkins had said there were
no traditional sci-fi gods or demons on which the abductees
could draw for their inspiration. I, and by I, I mean Russ
Estes, Bill Cone and I, suggested that popular literature,
movies, and science fiction had all drawn on the idea of alien
creatures abducting people. The really bad move, "Killers from
Space" contained the whole of the abduction scenario from the
big-eyed aliens, the unexplained scar, to seeing his beating
heart held over his chest and so on. This was 1953... and yes, I
know that some of the elements are different. The alien eyes,
while big, are not black and tear-drop shaped.

I also noted that on page 144 of the Dial Press hardback of
Fuller's "Interrupted Journey" Betty said, "And then Barney came
over and got in the car, and he said, 'They've seen us and
they're coming this way,' And I laughed and asked him if he had
watched the 'Twilight Zone' recently on TV..."

The Twilight Zone episode that is relevant to the discussion is
called Hocus, Pocus And Frisby," in which Andy Devine is
abducted by aliens who had black, tear-drop shaped eyes, and
somewhat featureless, flat faces... which aired on April 13,
1962.

Which, of course is different than Betty's original description
of the aliens with huge, Jimmy Durante-like noses.

So, the point was that alien abduction had been described in the

literature and the movies. There was plenty of pop cultural
icons on which to draw. The abduction phenomenon did not develop
in an information-free environment as had been suggested, and
that there were sources for Barney Hill's descriptions of the
aliens that preceded his discussions with Dr. Simon while under
the influence of hypnotic regression.

So, while you might not find the information probable, it is
important to understanding what is going on. Dismissing it
doesn't change the relevance of it.


Kevin



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