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Re: Our Need for Contact

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:01:05 +0000
Archived: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:20:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Our Need for Contact

>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:01:29 +0100
>Subject: Our Need for Contact [was: Evidence For Alien Visits To Earth?]

>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:04:31 +0000
>>Subject: Re: Evidence For Alien Visits To Earth?


>>As far as I can tell - nothing will change except we will have
>>to deal with another race of living beings. And, what the hell
>>would that mean except more problems? The other race arrives
>>carrying their own emotional and cultural baggage. Oh, gawd,
>>spare me.

>Hello Kathy

>You sound as if you're trapped in the depressing Newtonian-
>Darwinian mind-set of "dead white males" in western history
>books, who said "If you meet someone different - kill them, and
>take their land".

>Let's deal with the Darwinian error first - it turns out that
>Wallace was right all along. [Darwin's erroneous, crude, racist
>(and misogynist) version of the theory was predictably preferred
>by the establishment to 'justify' genocide and slavery - the
>methods of the colonizing West at that time - see

>In fact the experts now know that in the vast majority of
>evolutionary events "co-operative symbiosis is absolutely the
>norm... including in us". I.e. not 'competition' ('survival of
>the fittest') but mutual co-operation and inter-dependence.
>Exactly as Wallace had concluded.

>[Check from c. 28 mins in this recording :


>which is reviewed at:


>And, as Prof Chandra Wickramasinghe made clear in this interview:


>"100 tons of cometry debris enters the Earth's upper atmosphere,
>some of which would contain living micro organisms... 100 tons
>per day". I.e Earth-life is already interacting with "alien"
>life, albeit on a microbial scale, and has been for billions of

>You might be interested in something else the Prof said, about
>the organized down-playing of extra-terrestrial life - "You ask
>what's the reason behind the resistance? I think money - big
>money - has a lot to do with it. If it is accepted that the 1976
>experiments proved the existence of Life on Mars, then the
>present generation of NASA astronomers and astrobiologists might
>find it difficult to get large sums of money from the taxpayer's
>purse." You could extend that to: "planetary isolationism is a
>necessity for the elite - who think they 'own' our planet."

>However, we would be wiser to examine a rather scary concept
>expressed in that sterility.txt link, and maybe to extend it to
>all life in the universe, where we are only 'infants' just now.
>Talking about 'contacts' and 'inter-actions' the science guru
>said "babies die you know, if kept in a sterile atmosphere".

>BTW - we might address that Newtonian error and its destructive
>effects in establishment thought at a later time.

Well, thanks Ray for providing someone else's opinion about
Darwin and lumping me into some category you think should be
called "depressing Newtonian" approach to universe. I would be
careful linking Newton with Darwin. Newton had an alchemical
background and was into the esoteric side of spiritual matters.
Darwin was not.

Here is exactly where I am coming from: my forefathers were
taken out by white europeans. Why? A couple of different reasons
were given in hind sight. The people who were already living
here, it was claimed, were ignorant savages because they didn't
aspire to indoor plumbing, weren't of the Christian persuasion,
had never seen a musket before, were living on land they didn't
know the value of in terms of metals, etc. and didn't have an
interest in chopping up the land to get at those metals. The
women were referred to as squaw - not a very nice term,
essentially a whore. That is exactly what happens when a culture
that thinks it is superior. Contrary to your opinion, turns
around and treats a culture that it can justify within as
inferior - dogs, I think was another term used to describe
American Indians.

Again, american indian was the white european name for the
people they found living here. The people themselves had many
different names for themselves, spoke many different languages
and had many different living conditions.

I find your response very typical of white european and doesn't
consider the other side of the coin - as it were. So, I am going
to stick with the attitude that "aliens" - who essentially would
have to be called illegal aliens - would present more of a
burden on people who already inhabit Earth. I am sure you would
agree we are having a major problem trying to maintain stability
without a bunch more problems brought here by "aliens." Gawd, my
hope is that we are not being visited. Our social systems can't
handle the problems we already have. Surely, you don't live in
Pollyanna environment where every thing is just peachy keen and
you stand with open arms not understanding or imagining the
realistic meaning of contact.


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