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Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:14:04 -0500
Archived: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:12:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences


>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDdates <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:30:55 +0100
>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:31:01 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:27:07 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 10:59:20 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>>>>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>>>>>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>>>>>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:14:05 +0100
>>>>>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>>>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:12:36 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Alien Museum On Alien Abduction Case

>>"The concept of experience anomalies relieves us of the false
>>demands of literalism. We no longer have to argue for the
>>authenticity or inauthenticity of the described phenomena. Not
>>that a profound enigma does not remain - a mystery of
>>imagination, culture, perception, consciousness, being, and more
>>- a mystery so impenetrable that it eludes vocabulary itself,
>>our very sense of the assumed relationship of event to
>>experience. Happily, though, it removes from us the most onerous
>>burden of all. We can now believe our informants without having
>>to believe their explanations."


>OK Jerry I will do my damndest to read your stuff and get my
>head around what you mean.

>But in the meantime I would still like to know whether you would
>place my three examples - assuming for this argument that they
>are not hoaxed - the Skinwalker displaced bulls, the brass leaf
>case of Braude and the Scole apports - into your Anomalous
>Events category?

All I know about the latter is what you've said here, and all I
know about the Skinwalker stuff is an interesting book I read
about it. Where the latter is concerned, I would like to know
more. The Hunt for the Skinwalker struck me as a uniquely
commendable attempt to collect hard data on high-strangeness
phenomena. I hope it inspires more projects of the kind.

As to apports, for reasons I've already stated (seriously
tainted evidence), I have not concerned myself with physical
mediumship claims, and I have no plans to take them up. My
interests are elsewhere, in spontaneous cases.

>I must say on first reading it seems to me that describing
>something as "a mystery of imagination, culture, perception,
>consciousness, being, and more - a mystery so impenetrable that
>it eludes vocabulary itself" sounds very much like those
>religious folk who when asked for explanations say 'It can't be
>fathomed. God's ways are are not our ways.'

Quite the contrary. Experience anomalies are a significant part
of the experiential side of religion. The EA concept allows us
to accept the testimony to a range of ostensibly miraculous
phenomena without having to interpret such matters on a literal
-- which is to say religious -- level.

Some things are sufficiently beyond current knowledge that they
are indeed difficult to fathom. One doesn't have to bring God
into the discussion to acknowledge as much. In fact, it would
surely enhance the discussion if we were more willing to concede
how much we don't know and how uneasily many experiences fall
into existing explanatory categories.


Cordially,

Jerry Clark




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