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Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:31:01 -0500
Archived: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:18:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences


>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:27:07 +0100
>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences


>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 10:59:20 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:14:05 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:12:36 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: Alien Museum On Alien Abduction Case

>>>They exist
>>>- often >vividly - in experience, and experience alone.

<snip>

>>Incidentally, I wish to stress that "experience anomaly" is a
>>concept, a description of a certain class of hard-to-grasp
>>phenomenal encounter, _not_ an explanation of such.

<snip>

>Sorry Jerry but I still don't think you've answered my query
>about your statement "They exist - often vividly - in
>experience, and experience alone."

>I was asking you whether you accept any of these experiences are
>NOT experiences alone - but can occasionally can be objective,
>physical happenings. A yes or no please.

Sorry, Dave, but no simple yes or no is to be had. Anybody
looking for a simple one or the other has missed the entire
point of experience anomalies, which confusingly commingle the
objective and the subjective. The problem from our end is that
we demand they be one or the other, when they're both. Or
neither.

I repeat what I said earlier: "experience anomalies" is a
description, a category, a way of thinking about some problems
in anomalies studies; it is _not_ an explanation.

If you're looking for "objective, physical happenings," I refer
you to what I call anomalous events, which I carefully delineate
from experience anomalies. I encourage you to read my essay
"Experience Anomalies" in Fortean Times 243 (2008): 42-27. There
I remark of the intellectual quandary that drove me to the
conclusion:

"The concept of experience anomalies relieves us of the false
demands of literalism. We no longer have to argue for the
authenticity or inauthenticity of the described phenomena. Not
that a profound enigma does not remain - a mystery of
imagination, culture, perception, consciousness, being, and more
- a mystery so impenetrable that it eludes vocabulary itself,
our very sense of the assumed relationship of event to
experience. Happily, though, it removes from us the most onerous
burden of all. We can now believe our informants without having
to believe their explanations."


Cordially,

Jerry Clark



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