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Greer's Trespass Charge Rebuttal

From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:38:39 +0100
Archived: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:17:07 -0400
Subject: Greer's Trespass Charge Rebuttal

Please note - this info comes via Victor Martinez's email List


Greer's UFO Quest Wildlife Trespass Charge - Rebuttal

CSETI Responds to 'False Allegations' - statement from CSETI.

Regarding recent false allegations of violations by Dr. Greer
and other CSETI members of various federal regulations at the
Cape Hatteras National Seashore in NC, the CSETI Board wishes to
make the following points.

First, CSETI events are in no way a commercial operation as
alleged. CSETI is a 501 c3 non-profit organization in good
standing with the IRS and in no way is a commercial enterprise
or business. Any tuition is usual, customary and used to offset
appropriate expenses of the non-profit, including CSETI
educational and research programs and the work of the ground-
breaking Disclosure Project (see www.DisclosureProject.org).

Secondly, regarding the event in question, in April 2010 CSETI
held a research and educational program at the Outer Banks of
NC. A person (who for now shall remain nameless) registered for
the program who had worked for 16 years with the Pea Island
National Wildlife Refuge office as an Administrative Officer.
This person, having recently retired from that office, stated
that she could obtain any and all needed permits for CSETI to
conduct our night time research under the stars on the Pea
Island National Wildlife Refuge. Proof of this fact is contained
in an unambiguous email from this former US government official
to CSETI Educational Program Coordinator Debbie Foch, and

Debbie Foch: "Thanks so much for sending this, __________. So,
we don't have to send in a permit application or anything? Just
print these out and have the drivers in our car teams sign and
date them and keep them on the dash of the cars?"

Retired Administrative Officer from Refuge office: "Yes, each
person will need to have one, signed, with them and each car
will need one in the dash. I can get a stack from the office
next time I'm over that direction. That's all that is needed,
nothing needs to be sent in or be official."

On the day of our first night of research, this person took Dr.
Greer, Debbie Foch, Linda Willitts and Trudy Guyker - all long-
time senior members of CSETI - out to the site that she had
selected and for which she had obtained the permits she said we
needed. At no point during this site visit did she ever indicate
that we needed anything other than the permits that this former
federal Administrative Officer had obtained. Dr. Greer never
spoke with or had any dealings with this person prior to this
meeting and in no way had any involvement in securing the
Permits. Debbie Foch, who dealt with this former federal
Administrative Officer, reasonably trusted that- given this
person's long-time employment with the very office and agency
that provided such Permits- she had obtained the necessary
permission on our behalf.

Third, on the night of the incident, the ranger that came onto
the site immediately recognized this former federal official and
exclaimed: "(First Name of person) you should know better!". It
was clear that this person and the ranger were on a first name
basis and knew each other. All vehicles and persons present had
with them the exact Permits given to us by this former federal
official, and these were shown to the ranger.

Fourth, notwithstanding the above facts, which are
incontrovertible and provable, the ranger removed the CSETI team
and gave us a violation notice. Another ranger who was present
that night stated to us that we could get the correct Permit
from their office and that, in fact, that office had given
permits to sky watch groups for night use in the past, and that
this should be no problem. Additionally, a local deputy
suggested another specific place (not on the Wildlife Refuge)
where we could go and said we would not need a permit for that
location. However, when we went to that exact site on a
subsequent night, we were again approached by rangers, but
allowed to stay.

Fifth, when Linda Willitts called the permit officer, Steve
Thompson, on CSETI's behalf, he stated that because we were a
UFO group that he would never grant us a permit. We were shocked
and dismayed by this statement. This clearly shows bias and
discrimination against CSETI's views and beliefs. This bias was
further voiced and confirmed by comments made by Bonnie Strawser
(of the same federal office) to the Outer Banks Sentinel.

The Board of Directors of CSETI is working to resolve this
situation. The facts show that we were misled by an experienced
former federal official, whose expertise we trusted. It is
further noted that this person "who should have known better"
was not charged with any violation, even though she was also
present on the Wildlife Refuge that night. It is not known why
this person, who would have a higher burden of expectation to
know the details of federal rules and regulation, was not
charged, while others were. This may show further bias and
discrimination. It is apparent that some bias against UFO groups
is involved in this situation. Furthermore, it can be proven
that CSETI obtained the permits we were told we needed, and in
fact has been granted permits by Joshua Tree National Park,
Zapata Falls national recreational area in CO, and other sites.

Board Of Directors, CSETI

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