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Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:58:15 -0400
Archived: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:15:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates<post.nul>
>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:14:05 +0100
>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>From: Jerome Clark<jkclark.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:12:36 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Alien Museum On Alien Abduction Case


>Such experiences of the ostensibly supernatural (or, if you
>>prefer, extraordinarily anomalous) can be sustained, complex,
>>and extremely hard to explain, either literally or prosaically.
>>They occur in what has been called liminal space, partly
>objective,>partly subjective, a kind of Third Kingdom that
>mocks our lazy>notion that either things are or they aren't. By
>their nature>we can neither prove nor disprove them. They exist
>- often>vividly - in experience, and experience alone.

>Jerry, it's your last sentence here I'd like to comment on:
>"They exist - often vividly - in experience, and experience

>But my point in discussing The Gold Leaf Lady and Skinwalker and
>if you like acres of parapsychological literature, is that just
>sometimes these things exist in experience but also NOT in
>experience alone.

>There are such things as 'apports' - solid objects which
>seemingly 'arrive' from elsewhere as in the brass in Braude's
>case, the prize bulls which were moved from a field to
>a container in the Skinwalker case and umpteen coins,
>jewellery and photographs in the Scole case.

>How do we fit these permanent incursions into our solid physical
>world into your Third Kingdom concept except by surmising that
>there is a multi-dimensional universe where there can
>occasionally be 'bleed throughs' from other worlds to ours?

Hi Dave,

Excuse the long post, but it's about a possible mechanism behind
experiences of high strangeness.

You are drawn to the idea of a multi-dimensional universe to
explain the spontaneous appearance of apported objects. In the
cases I've heard about, the objects that appear spontaneously
are often familiar. I would not expect this if they were from
another world as you suggest. When an apported object is
recognizable, it seems more likely that its origin is the world
in which we live.

What we need is a mechanism to explain the instantanous
displacement of the object from one location in our space/time
to another. Such a mechanism might be applicable to a broad
range of weird physical occurrences, such as the sudden
appearance and disappearance of unidentified objects in the sky.

A possibly useful analogy for such a mechanism is found in an
algorithm commonly used for signal processing. Any signal
unfolding in time, such as an audio tone, can be transformed
into the frequency domain using the fourier transform algorithm.
This transform shows the energy of individual frequency
components, usually sinusoids, that might exist in the signal.
For example, the transform of a pure tone would show a
relatively high energy at the frequency of the tone, and no
power anywhere else. The plot of energy over all possible
frequencies is called a spectrogram. The sum of two pure tones
would result in spectral peaks at two frequencies, and so on. A
similar algorithm is used to transform the frequency-domain
representation back into the time domain so we can hear it.

In general, we can say that all events we experience unfold in
time. But the above analogy suggests that these events can also
be represented some other way where time is implicit. The
analogy suggests that this is a frequency-domain representation.
The temporal aspect that we experience emerges from the
algorithm used to transform this representation into the time

The spectrogram of an audio signal may contain one or more peaks
reflecting the signal content. We can intervene as programmers
and shift the position of the peaks in the spectrogram, and even
add or remove peaks. When the modified spectrogram is
transformed back into the time domain, the result is a signal
that sounds different from the original in the way intended by
the programmer.

A frequency-domain representation of reality would be orders of
magnitude more complex but, in principle, tweaking that
representation could cause a sudden rearrangement of the time-
domain representation we experience. For example, it might
result in what one would call an apport - an object appearing
suddenly out of thin air.

Depending on the change to the frequency-domain representation
of reality, the transform might result in the playing out of a
light in the sky, an alien abduction experience, a fairy in the
garden, a telepathic message heard in one's head, an angelic
visitation, or the motion of a physical object attributed to

The signal processing analogy suggests a mechanism for
generating strange experiences, but maybe it just describes what
we already know implicitly. There are also plenty of unanswered
questions about how such a process would be implemented. What
would be useful are some ideas on how to re-program the
frequency-domain representation so that it encodes an unlikely
event. Thinking about the problem this way may help to do that.

It is important to emphasize that the frequency and time-domain
representations are not separate worlds, but different ways of
looking at the same world. I should also note that reality has
been described as a hologram, which is a frequency-domain

In this model, it makes sense to me that consciousness operates
on the frequency-domain representation. It's intention
influences that representation just before it is transformed to
the time domain.  If the resulting change were logically
discontinuous with what preceded or followed it, the result
might be described as "partly objective, partly subjective, a
kind of Third Kingdom that mocks our lazy notion that either
things are or they aren't".


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