From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:58:15 -0400 Archived: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:15:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences >From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul> >To: UFO UpDates<post.nul> >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:14:05 +0100 >Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences >>From: Jerome Clark<jkclark.nul> >>To:<post.nul> >>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:12:36 -0500 >>Subject: Re: Alien Museum On Alien Abduction Case ><snip> >Such experiences of the ostensibly supernatural (or, if you >>prefer, extraordinarily anomalous) can be sustained, complex, >>and extremely hard to explain, either literally or prosaically. >>They occur in what has been called liminal space, partly >objective,>partly subjective, a kind of Third Kingdom that >mocks our lazy>notion that either things are or they aren't. By >their nature>we can neither prove nor disprove them. They exist >- often>vividly - in experience, and experience alone. >Jerry, it's your last sentence here I'd like to comment on: >"They exist - often vividly - in experience, and experience >alone." >But my point in discussing The Gold Leaf Lady and Skinwalker and >if you like acres of parapsychological literature, is that just >sometimes these things exist in experience but also NOT in >experience alone. >There are such things as 'apports' - solid objects which >seemingly 'arrive' from elsewhere as in the brass in Braude's >case, the prize bulls which were moved from a field to >a container in the Skinwalker case and umpteen coins, >jewellery and photographs in the Scole case. >How do we fit these permanent incursions into our solid physical >world into your Third Kingdom concept except by surmising that >there is a multi-dimensional universe where there can >occasionally be 'bleed throughs' from other worlds to ours? Hi Dave, Excuse the long post, but it's about a possible mechanism behind experiences of high strangeness. You are drawn to the idea of a multi-dimensional universe to explain the spontaneous appearance of apported objects. In the cases I've heard about, the objects that appear spontaneously are often familiar. I would not expect this if they were from another world as you suggest. When an apported object is recognizable, it seems more likely that its origin is the world in which we live. What we need is a mechanism to explain the instantanous displacement of the object from one location in our space/time to another. Such a mechanism might be applicable to a broad range of weird physical occurrences, such as the sudden appearance and disappearance of unidentified objects in the sky. A possibly useful analogy for such a mechanism is found in an algorithm commonly used for signal processing. Any signal unfolding in time, such as an audio tone, can be transformed into the frequency domain using the fourier transform algorithm. This transform shows the energy of individual frequency components, usually sinusoids, that might exist in the signal. For example, the transform of a pure tone would show a relatively high energy at the frequency of the tone, and no power anywhere else. The plot of energy over all possible frequencies is called a spectrogram. The sum of two pure tones would result in spectral peaks at two frequencies, and so on. A similar algorithm is used to transform the frequency-domain representation back into the time domain so we can hear it. In general, we can say that all events we experience unfold in time. But the above analogy suggests that these events can also be represented some other way where time is implicit. The analogy suggests that this is a frequency-domain representation. The temporal aspect that we experience emerges from the algorithm used to transform this representation into the time domain. The spectrogram of an audio signal may contain one or more peaks reflecting the signal content. We can intervene as programmers and shift the position of the peaks in the spectrogram, and even add or remove peaks. When the modified spectrogram is transformed back into the time domain, the result is a signal that sounds different from the original in the way intended by the programmer. A frequency-domain representation of reality would be orders of magnitude more complex but, in principle, tweaking that representation could cause a sudden rearrangement of the time- domain representation we experience. For example, it might result in what one would call an apport - an object appearing suddenly out of thin air. Depending on the change to the frequency-domain representation of reality, the transform might result in the playing out of a light in the sky, an alien abduction experience, a fairy in the garden, a telepathic message heard in one's head, an angelic visitation, or the motion of a physical object attributed to telekinesis. The signal processing analogy suggests a mechanism for generating strange experiences, but maybe it just describes what we already know implicitly. There are also plenty of unanswered questions about how such a process would be implemented. What would be useful are some ideas on how to re-program the frequency-domain representation so that it encodes an unlikely event. Thinking about the problem this way may help to do that. It is important to emphasize that the frequency and time-domain representations are not separate worlds, but different ways of looking at the same world. I should also note that reality has been described as a hologram, which is a frequency-domain representation. In this model, it makes sense to me that consciousness operates on the frequency-domain representation. It's intention influences that representation just before it is transformed to the time domain. If the resulting change were logically discontinuous with what preceded or followed it, the result might be described as "partly objective, partly subjective, a kind of Third Kingdom that mocks our lazy notion that either things are or they aren't". William Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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