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Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 10:59:20 -0500
Archived: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:13:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:14:05 +0100
>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:12:36 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Alien Museum On Alien Abduction Case

>They exist
>- often >vividly - in experience, and experience alone.

>Jerry, it's your last sentence here I'd like to comment on:
>"They exist - often vividly - in experience, and experience

>But my point in discussing The Gold Leaf Lady and Skinwalker and
>if you like acres of parapsychological literature, is that just
>sometimes these things exist in experience but also NOT in
>experience alone.

>There are such things as 'apports' - solid objects which
>seemingly 'arrive' from elsewhere as in the brass in Braude's
>case, the prize bulls which were moved from a field to
>a container in the Skinwalker case and umpteen coins,
>jewellery and photographs in the Scole case.

>How do we fit these permanent incursions into our solid physical
>world into your Third Kingdom concept except by surmising that
>there is a multi-dimensional universe where there can
>occasionally be 'bleed throughs' from other worlds to ours?

>Or do I suspect that you dismiss entirely the claimed phenomena
>mentioned above?

These are excellent questions, Dave. Let me see if I can respond
in a way that makes sense to anybody besides me.

My interest in experience anomalies is focused on spontaneous
cases. The ideas began to form as I immersed myself in folkloric
texts about fairy traditions and, especially, the firsthand
encounters that inevitably figure in them. (Folklorists call the
latter "memorates," by the way.) Jacques Vallee raised this
issue in his important 1969 book Passport to Magonia, but I had
never been satisfied with his treatment, which struck me as not
fully formed. Nor, in my judgment, had self-proclaimed skeptics
used folkloric materials meaningfully; theirs was a rhetorical
strategy only, in which if you could mention fairies and UFOs in
the same sentence you could magically render the latter as
ostensibly absurd as the former.

Actually, folklorists are often puzzled by firsthand testimony
to supernatural occurrences. Some ignore the problem by making
no comment on it at all in print, just reproducing the accounts
as examples of the sorts of things some people believe to be
true. Some others concoct far-fetched reductionist explanations
(my favorite: encounters with malformed humans). Others admit
they have no explanation and resist speculation. A very few,
Evans-Wentz most famously, theorize about parallel worlds. Just
about everybody agrees, however, that experiences of perceived
fairies do happen. I've spoken with people who've had them, most
recently just a month ago.

One thing people don't talk about is hoax and fraud as sweeping
explanations. Overwhelmingly, the informants are manifestly
sincere, if na=EFve. (The notorious Cottingley fairy photographs
are, of course, another matter.) If one acknowledges as much,
how does one deal with such testimony without having to believe
in the literal existence of fairies? Which, to be sure I'm not
misunderstood, I don't. Thus, experience anomalies.

I have deliberately stayed away from thorny questions of spirit
mediumship, especially physical mediumship (which of course is
where apports come in), because it is riddled with fraud and
allegations, founded or unfounded, of same. Simply from having
worked at Fate all those years, I know more about the history of
psychical research than most people - enough to know I cannot
begin to claim expertise (or, I confess, much interest). I do
feel comfortable in the Fortean realm, of which I can boast a
reasonable knowledge base. The questions, in short, are already
complicated enough without having to deal with charges of human

Incidentally, I wish to stress that "experience anomaly" is a
concept, a description of a certain class of hard-to-grasp
phenomenal encounter, _not_ an explanation of such.

>Thanks for the mention of those books in another post - I
>will definitely be seeking them out.

In that regard, please allow me a shameless plug: my own Hidden
Realms, Lost Civilizations, and Beings from Other Worlds, which
Visible Ink Press published last year. The last section of the
book examines fairy encounters, 19th-C. airship reports, and
other high-strangeness phenomena (much of the material will be
new even to veteran anomalists) in the context of experience

Jerry Clark

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