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Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 23:26:11 -0400
Archived: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 05:32:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences


>From: Jerome Clark<jkclark.nul>
>To:<post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:54:11 -0500
>Subject: Re: Third Kingdom Experiences

>>From: Dave Haith<visions1.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates<post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:46:40 +0100
>>Subject: Third Kingdom Experiences [was: Alien Museum On Alien Abduction
>>Case]

>>It reminds me of physicist Sir William Crookes, president of the
>>Royal Society and paranormal investigator who in 1874, when
>>challenged by sceptics, said: "I didn't say it was possible, I
>>just said it happened"

>Stanislaw Lem, the great Polish writer of philosophical science
>fiction, once remarked that it doesn't matter if something is
>impossible; if it happened, it happened.

>The problem is that when we hear of extraordinary experiences,
>our first instinct is to try to explain them when it should be
>to try to understand them.

Jerry says that certain experiences occur in a space that is
partly objective and partly subjective, "a kind of Third Kingdom
that mocks our lazy notion that either things are or they
aren't. By their nature we can neither prove nor disprove them.
They exist - often vividly - in experience, and experience
alone."

He adds further that our job is first to understand the
experiences, not explain them. All this sounds like something
one might also say about mystical experiences. For example,
kundalini awakening is a direct experience resulting from
practices such as meditation. This is felt as an energy that
rises through the various chakras to give different mystical
experiences. By all accounts, these are very real and they are
also hard to describe in words. The intellectual understanding
of the experience will never be equivalent to the experience
itself.

We can never prove or disprove that such experiences are
objective events, and the same can be said for the more mundane
experiences of perception. A psychophysicist can measure various
things about the color red in an experiment, but measuring the
actual experience of seeing red is forever out of reach. Yet
every seeing person accepts the experience as a given. We assume
that we all experience the same sensation because we often
respond similarly to it (e.g., at a traffic light).

Probably the majority of us have never experienced kundalini
awakening.  We are blind to it, much like a person blind from
birth who has never experienced seeing red. But most of us appear
to have the capacity to experience kundalini. With proper
guidance it is said to be a positive experience, but it
occasionally has been known to be a devastating, even
debilitating, experience.

Is this beginning to sound like the reports of alien abduction
experiences? Some have found the experience uplifting and some
have found it terrifying. In the yoga tradition, so I'm told, a
positive or a negative experience like alien abduction is
considered to be one of a number of impediments to
enlightenment. Could the abduction experience be a negative
element of the kundalini experience?

I would also suggest that the abduction experience is equivalent
in kind to the experience of seeing the color red. But, as Jerry
implied earlier, equating alien abduction to seeing red does not
help to understand alien abduction, since we don't yet
understand the experience of seeing red. I would argue that the
problem lies in the method we have chosen to know things. We
insist on a consensus reality, so we measure things about the
color red because we don't know how to measure the experience
itself.

Our reductionist scientific method starts with matter and energy
and builds a brain, thought to be the seat of all the knowledge
each of us has. Consciousness is considered an epiphenomenon, a
mere byproduct of that complex system. Yet the experience of
seeing red or anything else is intrinsic to consciousness.
Surely, something that holds all of our experiences is worth
more than a passing mention.

To understand experience in general, including anomalies like
the abduction experience, we should consider that consciousness
may have an effective role in shaping reality. This may mean
that reality is more idiosyncratic than we now believe.

It may be that our so-called consensus reality can actually be
altered somewhat by the minds experiencing it. The reality of a
private experience is a consensus of one and should be even more
labile, even though the associated ego archetype may not always
feel in control. Understanding better the organization of
consciousness and its possible role in creating experiences may
be a useful direction for research.

This approach is not solipsism. Multiple individual minds are
acknowledged to exist which might be integrated into a larger
cooperative structure at some level.


William




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