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Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:04:16 -0400
Archived: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:09 -0400
Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>From: Martin Shough<parcellular.nul>
>Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:45:43 +0100
>Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>>From: William Treurniet<wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:52:53 -0400
>>Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>>>From: Martin Shough<parcellular.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:13:08 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>>>>From: William Treurniet<wtreurniet.nul>
>>>>To: post.nul
>>>>Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:55:30 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature


>>>Your method, on the other hand, is to suppress or ignore the
>>>sound contextual evidence and instead take as _your_ context an
>>>ill-defined and unproven corpus of extraneous and dubious
>>>supposition about toroids on other saucer photos (as for which,
>>>don't get me started!)

>>By all means, Martin, get started! I would be interested in
>>explanations of all the anomalies I pointed out in the various
>>images. Please begin with the photo labeled 'roof' in the index




>>(for browsers that can't handle frames)

>>In the enhanced version, there is a dark mass between the ufo
>>and the roof of the building. The mass seems to be a second-
>>order torus. Is this another lens flare?

>Your sracasm is ill-judged. You intend it as a reductio ad
>absurdum in respect of my opinion on your 'Haunebu' photo, but
>instead it exposes you to ridicule because no person of good
>judgment who understands anything about photography would think
>it a dignified defence of his argument to erect such a
>preposterous straw man in a public place. Frankly it's
>embarrassing to watch.

Ok, asking if it was a lens flare was slightly sarcastic - my
apologies. But it followed from your persistent refusal to
consider the other option.

What puzzles me is that you appear to take the toroidal field
hypothesis as a personal affront. I expect you might say that
you don't suffer fools gladly, but that would strike me as
unwarranted in this case.

>No, of course it is not a lens flare, dear William. In fact your
>"second order toroid" looks more as though someone's child has
>ridden a bike over the print, or trampled on it while wearing
>his new trainers. Before persuading us that this bizarre "Adidas
>Effect" (if I may coin a phrase) points to new physics I'd
>recommend you offer at least a few rudimentary notes on the
>origins and provenence of the photo, and what steps you have
>taken to obtain and analyse the most reliable version of it,
>whether that is i.e. a first- or n-th generation paper print, or
>a copy negative or an original negative, or perhaps just a re-
>screened halftone or gravure image out of some old magazine or
>newspaper showing bleed-through from a Michelin tire advert on
>the back? Who knows? Do you even know the century and the
>continent in which it was allegedly taken?

These are interesting suggestions but unlikely, dear Martin. I
see no indication that it has the shape of a shoe print. If it's
a tire tread, then someone must have dropped the tire onto the
picture. It certainly did not roll across it.

>The only source you cite is a website called
>www.iwasabducted.com . That page in turn contains precisely no
>information whatsoever.

I find UFO photos in many places.

>It does however contain dozens of other saucer shots, the vast
>majority as dubious and ill-documented as your trainer-sole
>saucer. Most of these were evidently a disappointment to you in
>your hunt for hidden toroids and so were not listed by you, but
>as a check I looked at two images from near the top of that
>page, one an evident out-of-focus insect (conceded to be
>probably such even by iwasabducted.com), and another a perfectly
>obvious photo of a bird (tagged as probably such even by
>iwasabducted.com). Not wholely to my surprise I was able to find
>respectable "toroids" on both of these images when (ahem)
>"enhanced". See:


How did you enhance these two photos? The method I use does not
reveal the pattern yours does near the so-called 'bird' object. I
see a fainter but different ring shape in the expected position
relative to the object, but I would not hold it up as an ideal
example. You may have missed that position criterion I mentioned

I do not get the darker oval shape near the 'insect' object
either. In fact, I see no toroidal anomaly there at all.

For enhancing ufo photos, I use the photoshop equalization plugin
from Mehdi. This plugin works very nicely with the freeware
Irfanview program.


There are very few ufo photos for which we can say we know who
took them and where, so I can only work with what is available.
The toroidal pattern seems meaningful because I see similar
patterns across multiple photos. People often worry about whether
ufo pictures are hoaxed, but any accompanying toroidal patterns
would not have been put there by hoaxers. Therefore, I take its
presence to be an indication that the picture itself was not hoaxed.

I do not expect to see the anomaly in all pictures since lighting
and background conditions are clearly relevant. There are more
photos besides the ones I've shown where toroidal shapes appear
to be in the expected position relative to the craft, but these
are often fainter and not as useful as evidence. Also, after the
existence of the toroid is accepted given the more obvious cases,
they can also be seen at other orientations where the ring shape
is not as apparent.

>That about wraps it up as far as I am concerned. Enjoy your
>toroid affaur without me.

"toroid affair" - that is amusing! I love puns.


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