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Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:21:35 +0100
Archived: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 08:02:45 -0400
Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature


>From: Eleanor White <ewraven1.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:03:33 -0400
>Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 11:16:13 -0400
>>Subject: Re: A Haunebu II Photo Feature

><snip>

>>Martin, and probably you, are strongly committed to the lens
>>flare model and your interpretation of the image is based on
>>only that model.

>I think by focussing so much on the image in the subject line,
>we are ignoring the fact that William has pointed out an
>apparent toroidal anomaly in a number of images.

Well, when the image in the subject line is highlighted in a
post with the invitation to consider it especially, it seems
reasonable to focus on it. But I haven't ignored the context of
William's other claims and I discussed it in my last post. As I
said there, on this general level I agree with William's own
characterisation of himself, that he is looking at the "Haunebu"
photo through the filter of a predisposition to see elliptical
shapes as a result of having convinced himself that they are
real and significant in other photos.

Of course I have looked at his collection. In just one or two
cases there are elliptical features that might not be random
noise (that's not to say they are "toroids", but that they are
image features that seem to invite some sort interpretation),
but in the great majority of cases I judge that William's shapes
are a type of pareidolia.

There are, what, a couple of dozen photos here? This is a
negligibly small proportion of the number of alleged saucer
photos extant, and in most of these cases the elliptical feature
is subtle to say the least, and at least as likely to be a
product of the expectant eye connecting the random dots in a
situation where noise is ampified so as to compete with signal
(often deliberately) .

As a check on the acuity of my own pareidolian instincts I
decided to look for quadrilateral artefacts on William's photos,
instead of elliptical ones. They are not always immediately
obvious and, as with most of William's toroids, a certain
"training" of the eye is necessary before you begin to see them.
I think I was fairly successful, but you can judge if I was as
successful as William was with his toroids:

http://www.martinshough.com/ephemera.htm


Martin Shough




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