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Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:15:10 -0800
Archived: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:40:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55


>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:33:40 -0600
>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>To: To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:28:34 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Paratopia PodCast 55

><snip>

>>BTW, I have been shocked by the article of Carol Rainey. Here is
>>the copy of the message of support I sent to Budd Hopkins. I
>>would like to see some support of him on this list...

>>"I have great respect for Budd, whom I met several times, in
>>Brazil, France and Italy, and for Leslie Kean as well. I am sure
>>that his research on abductions is, and will remain, very
>>important, and this is an occcasion to thank him warmly for
>>that.

>>His book Art, Life and UFOs, which I have just read, also
>>confirm to me his qualities, as a man and as a talented artist.
>>I see the article of Carol Rainey as a very regrettable mistake
>>which, hopefully, will be soon forgotten.

>Well, all respect Sir, it's gone beyond all that. Forgotten is
>just not appropriate. If S.D. Morton or R. Hoagland were caught
>like this we'd be on 'em like white on rice. Ms. Rainey is a
>legitimate whistleblower, and she should not be shot for that.

>See, you can say what you want about the motivations of Ms.
>Rainey in production, but I can report that she was spot-on in
>at _least_ a third of her report as it pertains to Jim
>Mortellaro, that prevaricating little man who caused us all, but
>me specifically, such embarrassment, injury, and cognitive
>insult last decade. I'm inclined by her performance there to
>give her the benefit of the doubt on the rest, which seems
>cogent, calm and entirely bereft of any sexist 'woman scorned'.

>Hopkins is having to endure a lot of guilt by association with
>David Jacobs... who has been caught so red-handed and dirty that
>continued defense in his credit is wholly inexplicable, IMO.
>People are getting hurt and there must be some responsibility
>taken for that.

<snip>

I agree completely here with Mr. Lehmberg.  Absolutely.

The Carol Rainey expose of Budd Hopkins (can't wait to see her
film on same!), and by association, David Jacobs, via the "Emma
Woods" affair, are both quite important developments within the
field of "abduction research," and more generally, ufology
itself, in terms of proper evidential procedure, objective
vetting, and peer review and supervision by fellow researchers
of the boards, groups, and individuals seriously interested in
the advancement and progress to be made in UFO investigation and
related aspects such as abduction.

The latest revelations constitute a tremendous scandal on the
part of both Hopkins and Jacobs, among others (read at
paratopia.com what Rainey had to say about Leslie Kean's
endorsement, against all logic, of Hopkins research early on,
for example), and _must_ be honestly addressed and debated
to the degree required to prevent further psychological and
emotional harm to those subjected to regressive hypnosis,
which is and has never been a scientifically sound process or
"therapy" of any kind. The British UFO group, BUFORA,
wisely banned its use several years ago, due to just such
potential for abuse of subjects and implantation of false or
confabulated memories. John Mack is also responsible for
such egregious and reprehensible activities, although he may
not be as equally guilty as Hopkins and Jacobs, who not
should have known better, but did know better, but kept on
with their increasing sensationalism of cases and alleged
incidents apparently in order to enhance their reputations and
and to make money via lectures and books.

J' accuse! I recommend, strongly, interested parties listen to
Paratopia's podcast 55 for Scott Lilienthal's comments on the
hideous pitfalls and dangerous, damaging effects of non-
professionals using techniques like regressive hypnosis on
vulnerable subjects, to read Rainey'sarticle, and to visit "Emma
Woods" website to listen to the "Jacobs tapes" and then decide
for themselves just who is committing fraud and hoaxing the
public. I am disgusted and deeply disappointed by the likes of
Hopkins and Jacobs, and they need to be called to account for
their actions, in a court of law if required, to acknowledge and
be compelled to change or abandon such manipulative and
destructive practices from here on out, in my humble opinion.
They bring extraordinary discredit and oppobrium to the entire
endeavor of real ufology, and should be stopped. They deserve no
tributes or honors, just justice.


Steve



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