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Re: Psychic Rendlesham

From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:36:24 -0000
Archived: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:47:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Psychic Rendlesham


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:43:35 -0600
>Subject: Re: Psychic Rendlesham


>>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:39:21 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Psychic Rendlesham

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:51:41 -0600
>>>Subject: Re: Psychic Rendlesham

<snip>

>... those (happily) few UFO investigators who resort to psychics
>in their field work are only trying, in common with police who
>turn to psychic detectives, to take a short cut (however misguided)
>to desired information they deem difficult or impossible to get
>otherwise.

Again an assumption that it's a 'short cut' rather than
additional information. How do you know the motivation of all UFO
investigators (and police) who use psychics? Unless you're psychic...

Are you suggesting then that no psychic has ever helped in
a police investigation?

>It is a considerable stretch to deduce that they are seeking
>validation of religious belief of some sort or other.

I think you must mean 'not a considerable stretch'?

But what anyway is this constant link with religion? Being
psychic is not being religious although religious people may be
psychic and religion might have opinions - sometimes negative
about psychics.

>As with any field as amorphous as ufology, one can speak only
>generally, of course. I'm sure there are, here and there,
>exceptions to the rule, notably some individuals who see UFO
>phenomena as manifestations of the occult or as the work of
>demons.

>I can even think of one, who shall remain nameless here.
>(I might add, incidentally, that John Keel considered himself
>both a demonologist _and_ an atheist.)

Proving perhaps that you don't have to be religious to
conjecture a psychic faculty or realm - even if you do use a
religious term like 'demon'.

>I refer here to the ufological mainstream, whose outlook is
>resolutely, in some ways defensively, secular.

Again you are using the word secular as an opposite of
religious. Parapsychologists who study information retrieval
outside of the five senses wouldn't refer to secular or
religious any more than if they were studying gravity.

>Contactees and their followers, whose very reason for being is a
>quasi-religious response to flying saucers, are another matter
>with a very different history rooted in 19th C. occultism,
>especially Theosophy, and spiritualist mediumship.

>>Psychics could merely be used, as I alluded in my previous
>>post, as a possibly useful additional tool.

>Frankly, I can't imagine a circumstance in which psychics might
>be "a possibly useful additional tool." Every use I've seen in
>that regard - even outside the contactee subculture - only has
>contributed to the already abundant nonsense that has
>accumulated like so much garbage (or, more kindly, popular
>mythology) over the history of the UFO controversy.

<snip>

I don't dispute Jerry that in the history of the subject there
has been a fair share of whackos but if remote viewers can
correctly describe a secret Soviet base or for instance the
hiding place of Saddam Hussein, then I will not close my mind
off to one being able to fathom what went on at Rendlesham.

I think your pessimism about the psychic faculty lies in your
experience of past history which has spoiled you for future
possibilities.


Dave Haith


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