From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:43:35 -0600 Archived: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:22:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Psychic Rendlesham >From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul> >To: UFO UpDates <post.nul> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:39:21 -0000 >Subject: Re: Psychic Rendlesham >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:51:41 -0600 >>Subject: Re: Psychic Rendlesham >>In the remark you're apparently alluding to, I wasn't judging >>the validity of psi. I was simply taking note of the empirical >>fact that psychics and mediums are often wrong. >Thank you for clearing up that point, Jerry. >UFO witnesses can also be equally unreliable but we still >interview them. I would _never_ equate UFO witnesses with psychics. The problem with UFO witnesses is the problem with witnesses to anything out of the ordinary (including undisputed human events such as accidents and crimes): accuracy of reporting, clarity of memory, truthfulness, validating or invalidating independent testimony, and the like. UFO sighters are reporting an unusual appearance, whereas psychics are claiming paranormally acquired knowledge. On another level, where the witness is puzzled, the psychic "knows." >>thus, they should not be relied upon as a short-cut to the >>truth or as a substitute for old-fashioned investigation and >>analysis. I might add that over the course of my life, I have >>had some personal experience of alleged psychics who were >>wildly off the mark. >I don't remember anybody in this thread suggesting psychics were >a 'short cut to the truth' or a 'substitute for old- fashioned >investigation' - even the much maligned Nick Pope. That's because you've lost the context of the discussion, which commenced when, inspired by a lamentable recently announced project, a List member charged that the use of psychics somehow proves - no further proof necessary - that ufology is a religion. I responded that no, those (happily) few UFO investigators who resort to psychics in their field work are only trying, in common with police who turn to psychic detectives, to take a short cut (however misguided) to desired information they deem difficult or impossible to get otherwise. It is a considerable stretch to deduce that they are seeking validation of religious belief of some sort or other. As with any field as amorphous as ufology, one can speak only generally, of course. I'm sure there are, here and there, exceptions to the rule, notably some individuals who see UFO phenomena as manifestations of the occult or as the work of demons. I can even think of one, who shall remain nameless here. (I might add, incidentally, that John Keel considered himself both a demonologist _and_ an atheist.) I refer here to the ufological mainstream, whose outlook is resolutely, in some ways defensively, secular. Contactees and their followers, whose very reason for being is a quasi-religious response to flying saucers, are another matter with a very different history rooted in 19th C. occultism, especially Theosophy, and spiritualist mediumship. >Psychics could merely be used, as I alluded in my previous post, >as a possibly useful additional tool. Frankly, I can't imagine a circumstance in which psychics might be "a possibly useful additional tool." Every use I've seen in that regard - even outside the contactee subculture - only has contributed to the already abundant nonsense that has accumulated like so much garbage (or, more kindly, popular mythology) over the history of the UFO controversy. For examples going back even _before_ the UFO era, I refer you to my treatment (in my recent book Hidden Realms, pp. 140-56) of psychic visits to Mars in the latter 19th and early 20th Centuries. Nothing that has happened since in the modern UFO era (beginning with Mark Probert and Ole Sneide, if those names mean anything to you) would encourage any sensible inquirer to employ psychics and their visions in any role whatever. Ufology already has more than its share of headaches. It doesn't need to embark on this particular suicide mission. Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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