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Re: Fermi's Paradox

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:44:09 -0400
Archived: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:58:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox 

>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 15:33:40 -0000
>Subject: Fermi's Paradox

>It's said that in 1950, working at Los Alamos National
>Laboratory, the physicist Enrico Fermi was in casual
>conversation with colleagues Emil Konopinski, Edward Teller and
>Herbert York. The men were discussing UFO reports and ET
>possibilities. Then, during lunch Fermi suddenly exclaimed,
>"Where are they?" or "Where is everybody?",

>He then calculated that Earth should have been visited long ago
>and many times over.


>Since then that so-called paradox has been heavily used by
>`skepti-bunkers' as an argument against the existence of ETs or
>any intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe.

>The `strength' of that argument rest on a bit of unassailable
>logic (Fermi's), followed by several assumptions and a claim /

>IF intelligent life has arisen elsewhere, then logically -

>1) it is most likely to have arisen in many places;

>2) it is very improbable that humans were the first;

>3) it is extremely likely that some groups are tens or hundreds
>of millions of years more advanced than us.

>They then assume -

>1) that such advanced groups would have explored our galaxy;

>2) that such exploration would almost certainly mean Earth had
>been visited many times;

>3) that the `explorers' would have made themselves known to us,
>either directly or by leaving message(s) to be found by us
>(because each `visit' might be at intervals of more than a
>million years);

>4) That we haven't found any such messages (officially);

>They then claim that:

>"Therefore intelligent life cannot exist elsewhere in the


>The falsity of that claim and of the whole `paradox' can be seen
>if you ask yourself some questions:

>1) `Do humans bother to `communicate with' or to `leave messages
>for' any gnats, ticks or bacteria they might come across during
>a stroll in the countryside?'

Ray, why bother going so far down the biological/brain-sized
scale. We don't leave messages for apes or chimps or dolphins,

>2) A corollary question: `Do humans invade the property of other
>humans solely in order to communicate with any gnats, ticks or
>bacteria resident there?'

Harkening back to my last, yes we do. And only chimps, apes and
dolphins remember; but then so do dogs and other animals.

>3) Could humans achieve such an objective? That is, `Could
>gnats, ticks or bacteria form any meaningful conclusions, from
>physical evidence, about the existence of humans as self-
>conscious intelligent beings, or about the motives of such

I doubt if the animals - and I'm leaving out quite a few
obviously - would form meaniful conclusions but they would (do)
retain memories of their contact with us.The onus is on us
however. Do we care whether they remember us or not? Obviously
those animals we retain attachments with we would hope they
would remember us.

As for the scientists latest remark. We would care if we found
mocrobial life on Mars for example- it would be an Earth shaking
event. As for some ancient civilization out there which has been
finding life elsewhere in their galaxy or universe, discovering
us then might concern them only in that we be correctly entered
in a catalogue somewhere so the data wouldn't get lost.

Don Ledger

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