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Re: Alien Abduction - What's Left?

From: Rick Nielsen <nilthchi.nul>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 13:03:42 -0800 (PST)
Archived: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 07:06:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Alien Abduction - What's Left?

>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:28:06 -0500
>Subject: Re: Alien Abduction - What's Left?

>>From: Rick Nielsen <nilthchi.nul>
>>To: UFOUpDates <post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:23:34 -0800 (PST)
>>Subject: Alien Abduction - What's Left?

>>The following is not rigorous science. It's not even science; just some
>>topics for possible further discussion.

>>After Jacobs and Hopkins, what do we have left?

>>We have everything else that wasn't obtained with lacking ethics, or
>>hypnotic regression, including:


>I'd suggest reading "Alien Discussions", which is a collection
>of the papers submitted to the 1992 Abduction Conference held at

>I think it's a mistake to believe that the scientific foundation
>of this area of study was solely based on the research of Jacobs
>and Hopkins.

I do appreciate the response Steve.

First let me apologize for not reading the MIT results you
reference. I do not have quick access to a copy.

I also need to apologize for not making my main point clearer. I
wanted to stress that until we have more, in the way of good
evidence from repeatable experiments, rendered good by real peer
review, we're just groping in the dark. Until then we're just a
majority of muttering men, mainly mulling meaningless and
mundane minor minutiae of maybe meddled memories.

Not to degrade the true victims of real-life abductions - call
it my own denial if you must - but I continue to ask these
questions about alien abductions:

Is the source of scars, scoop marks, implants and missing time,
really ET? Or could these be cases of incidental and forgotten
daily traumas?

For example, I have scars and scoop marks and implants - dirt
and metal - in my own body. But these I attribute to my own
boisterous upbringing with brothers and friends - incidental and
forgotten daily traumas.

I also have memories of dreams of "grey"-like intruders in the
night. But how can anyone know these are more than dreams?

How can anyone know these are more than confused recollections
and everyday mishaps, without repeatable experiments yielding
good evidence which has been peer-reviewed?

Is that what your referenced book MIT conference results contain
- good, peer-reviewed evidence? Or is it only the summaries of
presentations made along the lines of what I've already written

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