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Re: Special Note From Budd Hopkins

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 05:39:16 -0600
Archived: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:00:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Special Note From Budd Hopkins

>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:24:56 +0000 (GMT)
>Subject: Re: Special Note From Budd Hopkins

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:39:04 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Special Note From Budd Hopkins

Sigh, John,

>>I don't know what "rear-guard" means in this context, because I
>>see no evidence that the problem is Budd Hopkins's methodology.
>>The issue is what the abduction phenomenon, which exists
>>robustly in pretty much the same shape apart from Hopkins, is
>>actually about. That's a legitimate debate which will continue,
>>as it should.

>By 'rear-guard' I mean a desperate attempt to salvage something
>of a reputation from the moral morass that is closing round the
>heads of Hopkins and Jacobs.

Speaking of desperate attempts, I note here the ham-handed
rhetorical strategy that seeks, yet again, to conflate Hopkins
and Jacobs, who though friends are not one individual and whose
methods and conclusions are not the same. Nice try, though,

And speaking of moral morass, I note here again that your idea
of a moral arbiter in these matters is character assassin Phil
Klass. I doubt that even his friends judged him that. I did hear
a prominent skeptic once characterize him as "despicable,"

I guess the larger conclusion we are to draw from the collected
wisdom of Rimmer and Klass is that anomalous experiences exist
in the world because evil people force innocent people to
imagine them.

>If you cannot see the problems with Hopkins' methodology, and
>how it has defined the development of the abduction phenomenon
>into the dangerous monster it has become today, then you have
>clearly not read Hopkins's book as carefully as you would have
>us think.

And what "dangerous monster" would that be? That some people
have experiences you don't approve of? That some other people
actually give them sympathetic attention and try to understand
what these experiences may be about? That healing may come out
of that simply because investigators actually _listen_, as
opposed to, say, dismiss, ridicule, and demean?

Pretty scary, I'll admit. But I'll concede that the list of
alleged abductees who complain that Budd Hopkins has ruined
their lives is too long to count. For example, there's...
well... um... and ... uh... well, I'm sure they're out there
somewhere, the legions of the suffering who haven't figured out
yet how Hopkins ruined their lives because, after all, they're
too stupid and insensitive to read Magonia.

Likewise, those dim-witted - or maybe they're lying - mental-
health professionals whom Budd brought into the research and who
have worked with him all these years. Obviously, they can't be
trusted, since they were, uh, _actually there_ and not in
London, where critics are free from the baleful influence of the
rude colonials.

>>If I'm around when you're fading into life's twilight, I will
>>contribute to the hypothetical forum I mentioned. I do promise,
>>though, not to be icky about it.

>Thanks, but no thanks.

In that case, I'll just put it here while you're still alive and
... well, doing whatever a guy does who keeps as great a
distance as he possibly can from actual living, breathing
witnesses and their icky testimony about things that Budd
Hopkins invented because they couldn't possibly have any other

The late John Rimmer managed to define himself as both
"psychosocial ufologist" _and_ "skeptic" and _never once


Jerry Clark

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