From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:18:29 -0000 Archived: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:52:58 -0500 Subject: Re: McGonagle's Ufological Stand >From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:04:52 +0100 >Subject: Re: McGonagle's Ufological Stand >>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:57:39 -0000 >>Subject: Re: McGonagle's Ufological Stand <snip> >>Hi Gildas >>I believe I've expressed the opinion before on this List that >>Minot AFB 1968 is a fascinating and presently unexplained case. >>I have had some small involvement with aspects of the (ongoing) >>research project you refer to in recent years. But I would >>describe the witness evidence as sometimes ambiguous, the >>documentation as incomplete and flawed, crucial aspects of its >>reconstruction as uncertain, and the anwer to the very complex >>question "What happened?" as an ultimately inconclusive one. >>For clarity can you point to one aspect of this group of >>incidents and explain why it is exceptionally strong evidence >>for something that could not be explained by unrecognised >>natural phenomena of some type? So that we can have a focused >>discussion about it? >There is plenty of information available on that extraordinary >case. >For instance in these books: >- Scientific Ufology by Kevin Randle (1999), pages 60 to 70; >- UFOs and Nukes by Robert Hastings (2010) chapter 15. >Hastings refers to the report of the main researchers, Thomas >Tullien and James Klotz, "The Minot UFO Incident Report" This is very disappointing. I didn't ask you for book titles. I explained that I've had some personal involvement with aspects of this project and a lot of contact with Tom, as well as with Jim when he was still on board, over a number of years. You should assume from this that I know a bit about it. So when I asked you to nominate a specific feature or aspect of the case, that for you makes it such a stand-out argument for ET, so that we could have a focused discussion, I didn't mean "can you recommend some introductory reading". Why would you think I meant that? I'm sure you won't excuse yourself on the grounds that you haven't the time or the interest or the knowledge to address specifics in detail, since a response along those lines from Joe drew a stinging criticism from you. >I am >not sure if it is published already, but they have an article >on their web site: >http://www.minotb52ufo.com You will not be able to access anything at this old address without a user name and password. Anyway I understand from Tom that the final product (nearing completeion) will be hosted at www.sohp.us >See also: >http://www.project1947.com.shg.minot That is a dud link. I think you mean http://project1947.com/shg/minot/ But this is just another place-holder, and very out of date. >One of the main witnesses, the copilot of the B-52, Bradford >Runyon, was interviewed in the 2005 ABC program UFOs. Seing is >Believing. Tom interviewed Runyon in Feb 2005. I have the full transcript. I have been able to read all of the interview materials from all of the witnesses, and all of the voluminous original BB file as well as a lot of background documentation and technical data, in the light of which I have analysed (as far as possible) high quality copies of the complete series of radarscope photos. As I said, I think it is fascinating and far from easy to explain. ET or an ET-analogue is a possibility. But I would not say, personally, that it is unequivocal proof of ET. So I repeat that I am interested in your very specific reasons for believing that it is, then we can discuss it. Thanks. Martin Shough Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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