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Re: McGonagle's Ufological Stand

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:18:29 -0000
Archived: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:52:58 -0500
Subject: Re: McGonagle's Ufological Stand

>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:04:52 +0100
>Subject: Re: McGonagle's Ufological Stand

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:57:39 -0000
>>Subject: Re: McGonagle's Ufological Stand


>>Hi Gildas

>>I believe I've expressed the opinion before on this List that
>>Minot AFB 1968 is a fascinating and presently unexplained case.

>>I have had some small involvement with aspects of the (ongoing)
>>research project you refer to in recent years. But I would
>>describe the witness evidence as sometimes ambiguous, the
>>documentation as incomplete and flawed, crucial aspects of its
>>reconstruction as uncertain, and the anwer to the very complex
>>question "What happened?" as an ultimately inconclusive one.

>>For clarity can you point to one aspect of this group of
>>incidents and explain why it is exceptionally strong evidence
>>for something that could not be explained by unrecognised
>>natural phenomena of some type? So that we can have a focused
>>discussion about it?

>There is plenty of information available on that extraordinary

>For instance in these books:

>- Scientific Ufology by Kevin Randle (1999), pages 60 to 70;

>- UFOs and Nukes by Robert Hastings (2010) chapter 15.

>Hastings refers to the report of the main researchers, Thomas
>Tullien and James Klotz, "The Minot UFO Incident Report"

This is very disappointing. I didn't ask you for book titles. I
explained that I've had some personal involvement with aspects
of this project and a lot of contact with Tom, as well as with
Jim when he was still on board, over a number of years. You
should assume from this that I know a bit about it. So when I
asked you to nominate a specific feature or aspect of the case,
that for you makes it such a stand-out argument for ET, so that
we could have a focused discussion, I didn't mean "can you
recommend some introductory reading". Why would you think I
meant that?

I'm sure you won't excuse yourself on the grounds that you
haven't the time or the interest or the knowledge to address
specifics in detail, since a response along those lines from Joe
drew a stinging criticism from you.

>I am
>not sure if it is published already, but they have an article
>on their web site:


You will not be able to access anything at this old address
without a user name and password. Anyway I understand from Tom
that the final product (nearing completeion) will be hosted at


>See also:


That is a dud link. I think you mean


But this is just another place-holder, and very out of date.

>One of the main witnesses, the copilot of the B-52, Bradford
>Runyon, was interviewed in the 2005 ABC program UFOs. Seing is

Tom interviewed Runyon in Feb 2005. I have the full transcript.
I have been able to read all of the interview materials from all
of the witnesses, and all of the voluminous original BB file as
well as a lot of background documentation and technical data, in
the light of which I have analysed (as far as possible) high
quality copies of the complete series of radarscope photos. As I
said, I think it is fascinating and far from easy to explain. ET
or an ET-analogue is a possibility. But I would not say,
personally, that it is unequivocal proof of ET. So I repeat that
I am interested in your very specific reasons for believing that
it is, then we can discuss it. Thanks.

Martin Shough

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