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Re: Budd Hopkins

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:16:14 +0100
Archived: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:35:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins

>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:45:00 -0600
>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins

>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:01:45 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins

>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:39:45 -0600
>>>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins


>>>Budd Hopkins stands foursquare behind David Jacobs' _entirely_
>>>suspect, _baldly_ suspicious and _serially_ salacious ...where
>>>the forthcoming are not mean, misogynistic, and utterly
>>>mendacious, mind you... methods, practices, and activities.

>>Mr Lehmberg:

>>It matters a lot to me. It is plainly wrong to say that Budd
>>Hopkins entirely agrees with David Jacobs. I know that.

>Sir! All respect! That is _immaterial_! Budd Hopkins stands
>foursquare behind the conduct and activity of David Jacobs as
>regards the Emma Woods affair! Ulterior, exterior, or peripheral
>disagreements between the two are not, and have never been, the

>>And I just want to tell you that I am shocked by your tone and
>>vocabulary in this difficult discussion.

>You want to know what shocks _me_ Mr. Bourdais? That there is
>not _more_ "tone and vocabulary" with regard to one person
>throwing another under a pathological bus, seemingly for self-
>interested pecuniary concerns, and then hiding behind another's
>_illness_ while prosecuting, facilitating and otherwise
>nurturing _foundationless_ slanders against the person run over!
>That's 220 over your 110.

>>Now, I don't have a real opinion about the problem of Dr Jacobs
>>with Emma Woods, but I do have a few things to say.

>If you have no opinion re: Dr Jacobs or Emma Woods, Sir, then we
>would have nothing to talk _about_! See, that's the issue at

>>First, that
>>I met David Jacobs several times and remember a very courteous,
>>friendly, calm and decent man.

>Me too! I can bear out everything you say here! Moreover, I
>bought his books, attended his lectures and workshops, talked to
>him (and Hopkins too) for hours on the phone for podcasts last
>century. Hugely courteous! Certainly friendly! Warmly calm!
>Unquestionably decent! So? No really, so!?

>>The present accusations against
>>him don't fit with that.

>No! No they don't! Begs the question! Where the _hell_ can such
>accusation raise its ugly head ,at all... but that the
>_evidence_ for such must be wide and deep.

>>Secondly, regarding legal aspect of the
>>case, I ask again: is it legal to tape private conversations

>In as much as the _provenance_ of significantly damning taped
>conversations, extant, are not germane to the issue of
>_evidenced_ extreme psychological abuse, I don't _know_ or
>_care_ what the legal aspects are Mr. Bourdais. That's for the
>guild of white powdered wigs to fret and otherwise drool over...
>and a _dodge_ from the issue at hand: Mind Rape/assault, I
>submit, okeydoked, it would seem, by the more landed members of
>our community, a community turning a convenient blind eye to
>impropriety, unprofessionalism, and even sociopathy in the case
>of Emma Woods.

>>during one or two years and publish a montage selected to
>>discredit the man?

>Have you reviewed those montages, yourself, Sir? They are not
>montages you'd come to find; they are, I feel, an audit path
>for evidentiary maliciousness and unequivocal in that.

Mr Lehmberg:

I have listened de to about 45 minutes of that montage, and I
what struck most was loud, agressive sneers by two people whose
names I did catch. Could you tell who they are?

The question here is not just that Emma Woods recorded during
two years her private conversations with Jacobs - a fact alone
which raises questions, like possible premeditation for future
action  - but that she published a montage of the most damaging
parts of them. Would you accept to be treated that way, Mr

A question: why did she ask for his help and send him hundreds
of pages about her case, in the first place? That behavior looks
rather peculiar to me.

Another question: do you know who sent Dr Jacobs a message to
make him believe that he was threatened by a "hybrid"?

What was going on, there? Looks like she was not alone in that

Simply stated, that case is not at all clear to me.

Gildas Bourdais

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