From: Carol Rainey <csrainey2.nul> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:56:23 -0500 Archived: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:07:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Research [Was "Budd Hopkins"] >From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:29:55 +0100 >Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins >>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 18:46:18 +0000 (GMT) >>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins >>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul> >>>To: <post.nul> >>>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:21:01 +0100 >>>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins <snip> >>>He suspected the son of an alleged abductee to be a hybrid. So, >>>I suggested to perform DNA analysis on both mother and child, >>>but he replied that it was out of question, considering the risk >>>of such a test becoming a legal issue. >>It's funny how there's always some reason why a simple test >>cannot be applies to such controversial claims, isn't there? >>It's just the same with the Scole events and similar mediums - >>just turning on the light might have terrible consequences. >>Here's the chance to find out once and for all whether or not >>the human race is being interbred with aliens, possibly the most >>momentous event in history, affecting our whole future - but it >>can't be done for 'legal' reasons. >>Pathetic. <snip> >John, >Yes, it would be a momentous event, but, no, it would not be a >"simple test". It would be a very difficult one, to be performed >under a tightly controlled protocol with independant observers, >by a well established laboratory. It would have to be repeated >in other labs, and it would cost a lot of time and money. <snip> >So, I understand very well why a man like Budd Hopkins - an >artist not so well known, as noted on this List - would not, and >just could not do that. Had he tried, I am sure he he would have >been violently attacked by people of your kind. >It reminds me of the ban on hypnotic regression decided in >England by BUFORA. Did you agree with that? Similarly, Dr Leir >was violently attacked, even losing his licence for some time, >with his implant operations. On the premier French TV network >TF1, he was accused of being a crook. That's the kind of thing >which may happen to you when you cross certain lines. >Who is pathetic here? >Gildas Bourdais Hello, Listers, I'd like to raise the question of what alien abduction researchers can and should do to substantiate their claims. I'd also like to address the question without resorting to the rhetorical flames of repeated phrases such as those above: "violently attacked" (Hopkins) and "violently attacked" (Leir). Most people talking about research techniques and tactics on this list are trying to have a calm, rational discussion about the sort of research that might move the field forward, rather than back into the mosh pit of tossing personal invectives and derogatory adjectives back and forth. One of the key issues seems to be that evidence for the extraordinary claims of abduction researchers Hopkins and Jacobs is simply far too sparse to justify the species-altering claims they are making. The premises underlying the research that has been done for 3-4 decades by Hopkins and Jacobs are very similar and the manner in which they both deal with abductees is very similar (according to Hopkins himself on Nov 28, 2010 Coast to Coast radio show). Simply stated, these abduction researchers claim they have evidence that aliens from elsewhere are physically invading Earth with an ongoing, vigorously implemented plan to alter the genome of the entire human species. This will bring about an all but invisible take-over of the human race and the planet. We are powerless to stop them. The criticism of such findings is that the principal evidence presented is largely anecdotal and, while the accounts seem to be mutually corroborative to some degree, the lack of research protocols, use of hypnotic memory retrieval methods, and lack of peer review or supervision result in conclusions that are simply not supportable. What is it that's not working here? Sometimes analogies to more familiar subjects can be helpful. What if two well-known epidemiologists began publishing in online journals, spoke on podcasts, set up websites, wrote articles and books, appeared at conferences and on television shows. These epidemiologists were bringing terrible news to the entire human race. These hypothetical researchers were breaking the news that they had substantial evidence that aliens (as in undocumented foreign nationals) had formulated a secret plot to take over and decimate the rest of the human race--or at least those who didn't agree with them. That these aliens (foreign nationals) harbored a complex, never-before-seen strain of influenza, one that the world of medicine had no vaccine for. That even now, these undocumented foreigners were, by land, sea, and air, infiltrating every country on the planet. They were carrying in their own persons the instruments of our destruction. The degree of alarm spreading at high levels around the world would be extraordinary. Ordinary people would be on high alert, allowing extra taxation to support research and willing to give up personal freedoms to combat this claim. Governments would allocate funds to combat this takeover and slaughter. But why would people at all levels clearly respond to _this_ claim and yet the world goes on, ho-hum, when people like our two best known abduction researchers make firmly convinced statements about an invasion that is even more alarming? Very simply, because one of the "invasions", influenza epidemics, have been proven, by methods we know and respect, to be quite real and quite deadly. Three such influenza epidemics occurred in the 20th century and killed tens of millions of people. Each was caused by the appearance of a new strain of the virus in humans, one we were defenseless against. Now I'm not a scientist and don't play one on television. I'm just asking questions that need to be raised: But how do we _know_ these epidemics and millions of deaths occurred? What is the evidence? Why is it that the hospital I was writing for at the time of the last predicted influenza epidemic began buying and practicing set-up of portable emergency bed units that could spill out into city streets and around the block, if needed? What brought about funding for these emergency supplies and preventative, life-saving equipment and drugs? What evidence was needed to get the funding to do more lab research so that the virus could be understood and an effective vaccine be developed in time? Yet similar catastrophic predictions made often and luridly by some abduction researchers goes totally unheeded by the mainstream medical and scientific worlds. Why is that, folks? And it doesn't cut it any longer to point the finger out at "them." It's not about "them", the people with the power and money who refuse to be informed by "us." We cry out passionately that "they" don't listen to our great claim of alien invasion. Maybe "they" are in league with the aliens....Bulls**t. It's about us. Those of us in the field, collectively speaking (with some fine exceptions) prefer to blame and personalize and take verbal potshots on Lists rather than step up the game and find out from contributors like Dr. Tyler Kokjohn and many others what it would take to turn the collection of people drawn to this phenomenon into a disciplined cadre of people able to think critically, behave ethically, and present research in such a way that they could draw precisely the re- sources needed to study the claims of UFO reports and anomalous experiences. We have been told that the technology is now available to help researchers substantiate their extraordinary claims. By all means possible, shouldn't we unite and find a way to utilize such forensic and scientific techniques? Carol Rainey Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. 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