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Re: Alien Abduction Research [Was "Budd Hopkins"]

From: Carol Rainey <csrainey2.nul>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:56:23 -0500
Archived: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:07:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Alien Abduction Research [Was "Budd Hopkins"]

>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:29:55 +0100
>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins

>>From: John Rimmer <johnrimmer.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 18:46:18 +0000 (GMT)
>>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins

>>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:21:01 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins


>>>He suspected the son of an alleged abductee to be a hybrid. So,
>>>I suggested to perform DNA analysis on both mother and child,
>>>but he replied that it was out of question, considering the risk
>>>of such a test becoming a legal issue.

>>It's funny how there's always some reason why a simple test
>>cannot be applies to such controversial claims, isn't there?
>>It's just the same with the Scole events and similar mediums -
>>just turning on the light might have terrible consequences.

>>Here's the chance to find out once and for all whether or not
>>the human race is being interbred with aliens, possibly the most
>>momentous event in history, affecting our whole future - but it
>>can't be done for 'legal' reasons.




>Yes, it would be a momentous event, but, no, it would not be a
>"simple test". It would be a very difficult one, to be performed
>under a tightly controlled protocol with independant observers,
>by a well established laboratory. It would have to be repeated
>in other labs, and it would cost a lot of time and money.


>So, I understand very well why a man like Budd Hopkins - an
>artist not so well known, as noted on this List - would not, and
>just could not do that. Had he tried, I am sure he he would have
>been violently attacked by people of your kind.

>It reminds me of the ban on hypnotic regression decided in
>England by BUFORA. Did you agree with that? Similarly, Dr Leir
>was violently attacked, even losing his licence for some time,
>with his implant operations. On the premier French TV network
>TF1, he was accused of being a crook. That's the kind of thing
>which may happen to you when you cross certain lines.

>Who is pathetic here?

>Gildas Bourdais

Hello, Listers,

I'd like to raise the question of what alien abduction
researchers can and should do to substantiate their claims.
I'd also like to address the question without resorting to the
rhetorical flames of repeated phrases such as those above:
"violently attacked" (Hopkins) and "violently attacked" (Leir).

Most people talking about research techniques and tactics on
this list are trying to have a calm, rational discussion about
the sort of research that might move the field forward, rather
than back into the mosh pit of tossing personal invectives and
derogatory adjectives back and forth.

One of the key issues seems to be that evidence for the
extraordinary claims of abduction researchers Hopkins and Jacobs
is simply far too sparse to justify the species-altering claims
they are making. The premises underlying the research that has
been done for 3-4 decades by Hopkins and Jacobs are very similar
and the manner in which they both deal with abductees is very
similar (according to Hopkins himself on Nov 28, 2010 Coast to
Coast radio show).

Simply stated, these abduction researchers claim they have
evidence that aliens from elsewhere are physically invading
Earth with an ongoing, vigorously implemented plan to alter the
genome of the entire human species. This will bring about an all
but invisible take-over of the human race and the planet. We are
powerless to stop them.

The criticism of such findings is that the principal evidence
presented is largely anecdotal and, while the accounts seem to
be mutually corroborative to some degree, the lack of research
protocols, use of hypnotic memory retrieval methods, and lack of
peer review or supervision result in conclusions that are simply
not supportable.

What is it that's not working here?

Sometimes analogies to more familiar subjects can be helpful.
What if two well-known epidemiologists began publishing in
online journals, spoke on podcasts, set up websites, wrote
articles and books, appeared at conferences and on television
shows. These epidemiologists were bringing terrible news to the
entire human race.

These hypothetical researchers were breaking the news that they
had substantial evidence that aliens (as in undocumented foreign
nationals) had formulated a secret plot to take over and
decimate the rest of the human race--or at least those who
didn't agree with them. That these aliens (foreign nationals)
harbored a complex, never-before-seen strain of influenza, one
that the world of medicine had no vaccine for. That even now,
these undocumented foreigners were, by land, sea, and air,
infiltrating every country on the planet. They were carrying in
their own persons the instruments of our destruction.

The degree of alarm spreading at high levels around the world
would be extraordinary. Ordinary people would be on high alert,
allowing extra taxation to support research and willing to give
up personal freedoms to combat this claim. Governments would
allocate funds to combat this takeover and slaughter.

But why would people at all levels clearly respond to _this_
claim and yet the world goes on, ho-hum, when people like our
two best known abduction researchers make firmly convinced
statements about an invasion that is even more alarming?

Very simply, because one of the "invasions", influenza
epidemics, have been proven, by methods we know and respect, to
be quite real and quite deadly. Three such influenza epidemics
occurred in the 20th century and killed tens of millions of
people. Each was caused by the appearance of a new strain of the
virus in humans, one we were defenseless against.

Now I'm not a scientist and don't play one on television. I'm
just asking questions that need to be raised: But how do we
_know_ these epidemics and millions of deaths occurred? What is
the evidence? Why is it that the hospital I was writing for at
the time of the last predicted influenza epidemic began buying
and practicing set-up of portable emergency bed units that could
spill out into city streets and around the block, if needed?
What brought about funding for these emergency supplies and
preventative, life-saving equipment and drugs? What evidence was
needed to get the funding to do more lab research so that the
virus could be understood and an effective vaccine be developed
in time?

Yet similar catastrophic predictions made often and luridly by
some abduction researchers goes totally unheeded by the
mainstream medical and scientific worlds. Why is that, folks?

And it doesn't cut it any longer to point the finger out at
"them." It's not about "them", the people with the power and
money who refuse to be informed by "us." We cry out passionately
that "they" don't listen to our great claim of alien invasion.
Maybe "they" are in league with the aliens....Bulls**t.

It's about us. Those of us in the field, collectively speaking
(with some fine exceptions) prefer to blame and personalize and
take verbal potshots on Lists rather than step up the game
and find out from contributors like Dr. Tyler Kokjohn and many
others what it would take to turn the collection of people drawn
to this phenomenon into a disciplined cadre of people able to
think critically, behave ethically, and present research in such
a way that they could draw precisely the re- sources needed to
study the claims of UFO reports and anomalous experiences.

We have been told that the technology is now available to help
researchers substantiate their extraordinary claims. By all
means possible, shouldn't we unite and find a way to utilize
such forensic and scientific techniques?

Carol Rainey

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