From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:38:23 EST Archived: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:12:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Refuting The Hopkins Jacobs Mack Synthesis >From: Tyler Kokjohn <TKOKJO.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:37:08 -0700 >Subject: Re: Refuting The Hopkins Jacobs Mack Synthesis >>From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:13:08 -0500 >>Subject: Refuting The Hopkins Jacobs Mack Synthesis >Mr. Gelinas - >Thank you so much for this well-researched and magnificently >thought provoking response. I hope it stimulates a productive >conversation. >http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/feb/m12-007.shtml >Like you, I note that many underlying explanatory rationales for >alien abductions seem intrinsically weak and readily undermined. >But even sound, documented arguments do not automatically carry >the day. One problem is that skeptics are in a bad position >(logically) because it can be so challenging to prove a negative >assertion in a simple, rigorous sense. Although you may >demonstrate they are unlikely, lacking hard evidence it can be >virtually impossible to completely falsify some hypotheses. >Scientific intuition tells me the claims of Dr. David Jacobs and >Mr. Budd Hopkins in particular have grown far beyond anything >the existing objective evidence supports. However, that remains >nothing more than my personal opinion and the debate could >continue forever. But, there may be a way out of this dilemma. >A particular class of abductee, those allegedly impregnated or >used as incubators for human-alien hybrid entities, offers a >potentially rich source of hard genetic evidence. >During pregnancy, DNA and cells from the unborn child become >incorporated into the mother. Remarkably, the fetal cells may >persist in the mother for decades after the pregnancy ends >(Science 296:2169-2172, 21 June 2002). Hello List, All - I have been reticent to join the discussion before now, but thought that we should explore this idea. Back in the 90s, Dr. Richard Neal, a medical doctor, explored this aspect of abduction, publishing his results in the American UFO magazine. We, Russ Estes, Bill Cone and I, in The Abduction Enigma, reported on Neal's investigation and his results. Neal wrote, "Many researchers have claimed that they have several cases of Missing Embryo/Fetus Syndrome (ME/FS) in their files. Yet during my research into this phenomenon over the past three years, all have failed to produce one verified case. Why?" Neal speculated that the syndrome might be the result of hysteria that is associated with the abduction phenomenon. He also suggested that it might be related to the post-traumatic experience. Neal wrote that the missing fetus syndrome involved female abductees who alleged a pregnancy between 6 weeks to 12 weeks. The women claimed that the child, usually the result of some primitive form of genetic or biological experimentation, had disappeared due to alien intervention. In other words, alien abductors had taken the child. In the article, Neal wrote: "These individuals are taken into what appears to be some type of examination room in which they are placed on a table. Abductees report they are usually administered some form of anesthesia, whether through the touching of an instrument to the head, alien hands applied to the temporal area, then telepathically told to relax and that it would not hurt, or are given some form of liquid for oral intake, ostensibly to alleviate apprehension." In many of the cases, according to Neal, they also reported some kind of "quasi-gynecological" exam. And, as many abductees have claimed, these women report that a long needle was pushed into the belly. Neal reported that much of this sounds like common medical procedures including "a mini-laparoscopy in which there may be extraction of ova from the ovary or a procedure known as Gamete Intra-Fallopian Transfer (GIFT)." Neal surveyed the work of others including Dr. Thomas "Eddie" Bullard, a folklorist, and Dr. Leo Sprinkle who was one of the earliest of the abduction researchers. Both reported that they had nothing like the missing fetus syndrome in their files. Bullard did comment, "A preoccupation with reproduction is a common theme from the earliest abductions onward, and a few of the stories describe rape, sexual activity, and events that might be described as artificial inseminations or tampering with a pregnancy already underway, but I noticed nothing in the literature (up to 1986 or there abouts) comparable to the missing embryo motif." Sprinkle wrote, "...I have no medical information... In a few instances, women wrote to me about strange 'dreams' of sexual activity with aliens, then describing pregnancies that resulted in birth of babies with 'big eyes' and great psychic abilities." Neal pointed out that no photographs of these children have been presented. Nor any evidence that they have an increased psychic capability. Letters are not proof of the claims. The difference, however, seems to be Dr. Jean Moody. She wrote in Vol.6, No. 4 issue of UFO, that "Around nine percent of women with alien contact report medically confirmed pregnancies which disappear, usually in the fourth month. There is no evidence of miscarriage, they just were not pregnant any longer." Moody said they were medically confirmed, which is in conflict with what Neal reported in the same issue. Neal wrote that each time he heard of a medically confirmed report, his insistence on the documentation failed to produce results. In Neal's experience, as a medical doctor, he had found no persuasive evidence of the missing fetus syndrome. Moody, however, did present one case. Claire, according to Moody, came to her "with the bits and pieces of such a story. She was unaware that she was pregnant, or perhaps she wasn't yet, when an alien being came into her bedroom. Several sessions of hypnotic regression were used to clarify her memories." Moody related that she has two methods of obtaining data under hypnosis. One is to ask questions of the subject and the other is to say nothing once the "trigger" event has been mentioned. Interestingly, Moody referred to the first method as "the leading question method." While under the influence of hypnosis, Claire related the trauma of an alien invasion of her room. In the mid-1970s, she was in her bedroom with her young son, when a light came toward her and seemed to force her back. She described, with the proper emotion, an eye that she couldn't get away from. She could see a silver needle and then that she could feel hands inside her. Under hypnosis, she recalled that she had been told she would have a boy child and that he would have blue eyes and be a mighty warrior. She was told that she would be given the name for the boy and that she would be given instructions on how to raise him. Claire also described being on a ship where she could see lots of lights and panels. She said that she was sick to her stomach and nude as she was prodded and probed. At one point she said, "Such pain in my uterus... I don't like them being inside of me." Moody gathered more data from Claire and even talked to the son who had been in the room during the abduction. He was not present during the regression, but did claim to remember the night that Claire had described in such horrifying detail. Other evidence for the case was a scar on Claire's arm. She said that it happened on the night of the visitation and that the tissue was biopsied. There was no results of that provided. Moody also reported that Claire said that she had had two miscarriages and one missing pregnancy of a four-month-old fetus. According to Moody, this happened after she had a tubal ligation. Her doctors were incredulous when reminded of her operation. No medical evidence of the pregnancies or miscarriages was presented. Moody writes in the conclusion to her article in UFO, "By selectively ignoring many pieces of the puzzle, the protesting reader can conclude there was no craft, no aliens, just a strange rapist in Claire's bedroom while her husband was away. By ignoring her vivid emotional scars, one could conclude it was a normal pregnancy, and the son is just 'different.'... But if you put all the pieces into the picture, we have one more case of alien forces reaching down into the most intimate aspects of human life." The problem is that no evidence, beyond the emotional "scars" of Claire has been presented. Hypnotic regression was used to retrieve the memories and no corroboration, beyond a son remembering lights, has been offered. The precise medical documentation that would help "the protesting reader" understand and believe has been neglected. There might be a partial explanation for why there is no medical evidence to confirm these stories of disappearing pregnancies. David Jacobs, in The Threat, described what he termed "Extrauterine Gestation Units" which are some form of implanted device for carrying an alien hybrid child. He reported on a number of women who have experienced these devices, suggested that one had been seen on an ultrasound, but that it was not recovered. The aliens, through some unknown ability, are able to monitor the women, recovering the device before it can be removed for analysis. Jacobs made it clear that these extrauterine gestation devices are not connected to the hosts' bodies. In a normal, human pregnancy, the mother is connected to the fetus through the placenta. The mother shares nutrients with the growing baby. But, according to Jacobs, these extrauterine gestation devices are a separate system that is implanted in the women. If they are not connected to the women, if there is no circulation of blood between the host and the device, then what purpose does it serve? Jacobs suggests that the fetus, when removed from the device is then brought to term in class tubes filled with liquid. The hybrid children are "decanted" much in the same way as the children in Brave New World. At least this is the way some of his abductees recall it under hypnosis. So why isn't there more physical evidence? In all the investigations that have been conducted, in all the reports that have been made, there has never been the documentation to prove that something had, in fact, happened. Neal wrote about the difficulties in investigation and research on missing fetus syndrome. During his research, he noted four considerations that inhibited investigation. First, many of the abductees feared consulting with a private doctor. The women were afraid that if they requested the release of their records, and their doctor learned the reason, the doctor might believe the patient to be unstable. Second, many of the women were unwilling to release such private information to abduction researchers. Some were afraid of humiliation, and rightly so. Too often the UFO community has demonstrated that is not to be trusted with sensitive or private information. This fear often results in a failure to provide documentation needed to corroborate the testimony. Third, according to Neal, many of the abductees only have a vague memory of the abduction and have real concerns that the pregnancy might be normal in origin. In other words, it was the husband, boyfriend, or mate who was involved in the contraception and not alien visitors. And finally, there is fabrication. Although Neal wrote that the majority of the alleged female abductees would not lie about the event, there may be some who were seeking notoriety for self- gratification. The production of the proper documentation, in these cases, would be extremely difficult since it is all a hoax. Neal provided a list of medical reasons why a woman who is not pregnant might believe she was. Many of these conditions produce symptoms that mimic pregnancy. In some cases, tests suggested the woman was pregnant when she was not. Neal advocated the proper medical documentation in these cases. Some would be explained by medical science as not involving alien abduction and intervention but some might provide the very corroboration that the abduction researchers require. It should also be noted that many of the women who have reported these false pregnancies, or who Jacobs believed had been implanted with his extrauterine gestation devices were post menopausal women, women who had had hysterectomies, or who were, for whatever reason, unable to bear children. The psychological literature is full of reports on why women who cannot conceive believe that they have, through some miracle, become pregnant. Such a belief fulfills a real psychological need in these women. In the second part of an article appearing in the January 1992 issue of UFO, Neal asked, "Are [missing fetus] cases on file?" He answered his own question, writing, "Why do some of our top researchers say they have numerous cases in their files related to the ME/FS motif, yet fail to produce anything that can be investigated or documented when questioned thoroughly?" He also noted, "As far as researchers go, we have no data for medical/ scientific review, due to failure of compliance of female abductees as well as the investigators' failure to submit cases to those of us interested in this bizarre aspect of the abductee phenomenon." To document ME/FS, Neal recommended proper medical records. The information he thought important included an established date of missed menses, a positive pregnancy test in the doctor's office, confirmation of the pregnancy by a doctor, the alleged date of the abduction, alleged date of the missing pregnancy, documentation by a doctor of the missing pregnancy or complication of the pregnancy, Lab, X-ray, ultrasound scan, surgical procedures or pathology reports, and finally, hypnotic regression tapes of the alleged sexual encounter or quasi- gynecological examination. In other words, he required the type of evidence that would be accepted by medical authorities. It should be noted, however, that Jacobs' extrauterine gestation device would defeat most of the tests recommended by Neal. Because, according to Jacobs, the device has nothing to do with the host's body, is not connected to it, and is merely "warehoused" in the women, many of the medical tests would be negative. The X-rays, ultrasounds, and recovery through surgical procedures would, of course, provide the proper scientific evidence. To date that simply hasn't happened for a variety of less than persuasive reasons. Neal pointed out that without this documentation and until the medical records can be produced for proper peer review, "the ME/FS will remain as obscure and vague in the future as it is today. Merely hear-say cases of alleged female abductees having missed pregnancies will forever remain buried in the annals of ufology." This was the state of this sort of research more than a decade and a half ago and I see nothing to suggest that this has changed. The documentation has not been offered, there has been no real peer review by medical practitioners, and no one has been able to prove that such cases exist. Instead we are given the same sort of anecdotal information that we have always been given and questions are dodged by claiming that in all of the research done some sort of consistency has been established. But here we are, 15 years later, and we hear that no one has bothered to study this aspect. Dr. Neal did before his death and I have seen nothing to suggest his conclusions have been invalidated by evidence... just the claims of evidence which isn't quite the same thing. KRandle Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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