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Re: Refuting The Hopkins Jacobs Mack Synthesis

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:57:08 -0500
Archived: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:05:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Refuting The Hopkins Jacobs Mack Synthesis

>From: Tyler Kokjohn<TKOKJO.nul>
>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:37:08 -0700
>Subject: Re: Refuting The Hopkins Jacobs Mack Synthesis

>>From: J. Maynard Gelinas<j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:13:08 -0500
>>Subject: Refuting The Hopkins Jacobs Mack Synthesis


>A particular class of abductee, those allegedly impregnated or
>used as incubators for human-alien hybrid entities, offers a
>potentially rich source of hard genetic evidence.

>During pregnancy, DNA and cells from the unborn child become
>incorporated into the mother. Remarkably, the fetal cells may
>persist in the mother for decades after the pregnancy ends
>(Science 296:2169-2172, 21 June 2002).

>In principle, if the hypotheses are correct, some female
>abductees must harbor physical evidence of alien hybrids.
>Because these cells are long-lived, investigators can simply re-
>contact some past research subjects to begin experiments (after
>the required IRB approvals are obtained). No one need capture an
>entity or await other happenstance to uncover some hard

>If the hypotheses of Dr. Jacobs and Mr. Hopkins are correct,
>telltale genetic evidence should be recoverable. Perhaps they or
>a new generation of abduction researchers will now take on this
>challenge and reveal some facts surrounding the alien abduction

This is an interesting approach, and I would point out that DNA
evidence of an alien-human hybrid already exists. Lloyd Pye's
Starchild skull is said to contain both human and non-human DNA.


Before embarking on a project to find non-human DNA in
abductees, perhaps one ought to consider what kind of evidence
would be recognized by the scientific community. My impression
is that Lloyd Pye is not exactly being overwhelmed by interested
molecular biologists, etc. wanting to confirm his geneticist's
findings. Further, if he is having problems funding his
research, imagine how funding agencies would respond to the kind
of research being proposed here.

If someone does find old fetal cells containing genes that don't
match up with anything in the genetic database, the obvious
conservative response would be that these are normal cells that
have degraded over time. That would be considered more likely
than that they are evidence of alien hybrids. So it's important
to have an appropriate control group. That might be a problem if
all abductees are not aware that they were abducted.

There is an unproven assumption underlying the proposed research
that the abduction accounts are all from physical encounters
with real aliens. This assumption should be made explicit as
part of the hypothesis under test. Otherwise, if the results
reveal no evidence of alien DNA, they may be generalized
inappropriately to other lines of research based on different

For example, suppose instead that the experience is a psychic
event that is nevertheless as real as real could be. Under this
assumption, there would be no expectation of finding alien DNA.
If there are hybrids, they would exist in some psychic realm.
The important experimental questions would deal with the role of
consciousness in forming consensus reality. This may not be too
fanciful, considering that alien greys have appeared in
Strassman's subjects' DMT experiences and in Hancock's reported
experience with the shamanistic trance state. Also, endogenous
DMT apparently peaks in the early morning hours, which might
possibly coincide with the timing of the majority of abduction


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