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Re: Woods Defamation Campaign

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:21:18 +0000
Archived: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 06:31:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Woods Defamation Campaign

>From: Tyler Kokjohn <tkokjo.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:02:48 -0700
>Subject: Re: Woods Defamation Campaign

>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:54:32 +0000
>>Subject: Re: Woods Defamation Campaign

>>>From: Emma Woods <e.woods33.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:57:39 -0800 (PST)
>>>Subject: Woods Defamation Campaign

>>First and foremost to the issue of the institution's
>>responsibility to the human subject: Dr. Jacobs, quite possibly,
>>because he does not practice medicine, was unaware he needed to
>>design his protocol, including an ICF, according to Fed Regs
>>governing human subjects.


>>Third, he was not doing research and therefore the IRB - never
>>saw nor approved his protocol - and had no jurisdiction over
>>him. Temple was correct in their response.

>Ms. Kasten -

>I absolutely agree with you that it is possible Dr. Jacobs was
>unaware of his responsibilities. Having a little experience
>dealing with IRBs, I also feel it is probable they (the IRB and
>University administrators) had no awareness of his activities.
>My reason is simple - the Temple University IRB is undoubtedly
>staffed with thoroughly competent professionals and the
>documents presented by Emma would have never passed muster with
>them. Just how effective an ignorance defense might be for a
>professional is an interesting question.

>The issue of whether or not Dr. Jacobs was doing research is not
>so clear to me for much depends on how one parses the
>definitions. The University has deflected the issue by
>maintaining he was taking oral histories. But under some
>circumstances even oral histories might pose risks and may be
>subject to IRB scrutiny. Should questions regarding exemptions
>arise, the IRB has jurisdiction and makes the determination.

>I do understand how the IRB, the History Department chairman and
>higher administration might not have known what Dr. Jacobs was
>doing. After Emma's complaint reached them, I am baffled. Polite
>debates over research definitions, oral histories, jurisdiction
>and whether he operated within the narrow confines of the
>official rules all become rather academic distractions in light
>of her meticulously documented allegations of serious
>misconduct. Unfortunately, the full facts are still known to
>only a few.

>Based on the University response, Dr. Jacobs seems to be in the
>clear. If there was no wrongdoing and there will be no book,
>perhaps he will release his session recordings, reveal how he
>has been defamed and bring this sad story to a definitive

Dr. Kokjohn:

Whether Jacobs was doing research that needed to be covered by
Temple's human subject protection committee is unknown. That was
my point. Jacobs, for whatever reason, did not have his
"protocol" reviewed by anybody. In that sense, legally, Dr.
Jacobs was not doing research. He saw himself as a History
Professor taking oral testimonies. Is that defensible? Only a
court could decided, and the institution is unwilling to allow
the case to go to court. Is Emma Woods willing to take the issue
to court? Maybe.

All of the above is from my perspective of four and a half years
interacting with principle investigators through UCLA's Human
Subject Protection Committee. My, my, but it certainly gave me
an insight into the medical community of researchers. I have
used those experiences to come to conclusions about ufo

BTW, I would like to have a private dialog with you. Especially,
if you were the guest with Carol Rainey on a computer broadcast.
Just a few questions involving out of my reading of recent
research into neurology and psychiatry. Are you game?


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