From: Tyler Kokjohn <TKOKJO.nul> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:22:38 -0700 Archived: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:48:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins >From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:26:20 -0500 >Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins >>From: Carol Rainey <csrainey2.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:09:01 -0500 >>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins >>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul> >>>To: <post.nul> >>>Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:47:39 +0100 >>>Subject: Re: Budd Hopkins ><snip> >>>Your answer amazes me again. Of course you talked about Budd >>>Hopkins and you did all you could to destroy his crediblity. You >>>even made a pejorative remark about his artistic career! >>Mr. Bourdais, ><snip> >>In my Paratopia article, I stated one specific fact you took >>exception to and have raised _twice_ now - that the pinnacle of >>Budd Hopkins' art career occurred many years earlier. >>Statement of fact. Check out when his one-man shows were held. >>Check out if any major museums who bought an early work have >>ever actually displayed his work. Check out Christies. Check out >>art auction indexes. Check out MoMA's current comprehensive, >>retrospective of American Abstract Expressionists. If you know >>anything about any of this I'd be quite startled. ><snip> >>So you think Mr. Hopkins' art sucks. Fine. However, what does >>any of this have to do with claims that Hopkins and/or Jacobs >>may have committed ethical violations in their use of hypnosis >>on subjects, or claims that their conclusions were faulty on the >>facts discovered? Point me to a Belmont Commission violation and >>I'll listen. But through these many threads all I read is more >>personal invective than factual claims of official wrongdoing. >>An official report of wrongdoing by a human subject review board >>committee would be of interest here. Please post a link, or >>quotes from an official report available to the public. ><snip> >>Put it a better way, even assuming that everything you write is >>true: that Hopkins' and Jacobs' abduction evidence gathering and >>analysis methods were faulty; that Bud Hopkins' art work truly >>sucks; and that thus Mr. Hopkins is a no-good very bad man... so >>what? How do your claims benefit resolving the question of what >>so-called abduction phenomena is all about? Mr. Gelinas - You have posed some seminal questions. It is time to focus on getting somewhere. One of the benefits of Ms. Rainey's article is that it exposed the methods of one investigator to scrutiny. In that specific case, it raised serious concerns about methods. The Belmont Report and other documents guiding research conduct apply to Mr. Hopkins only if he wants them to for he answers, it appears, to himself. Although I question how he safeguarded his subjects well-being, he engaged in no physically invasive medical procedures and worked with consenting adults. Dr. Jacobs may be in a more precarious position. The Belmont Report and other guidelines are not a list of specific ordinances and rules, they are principles we follow. The allegations suggest his actions may have violated the ideals of beneficence and respect for subject autonomy that are fundamental to human subject research. I would be interested in hearing his rationale. As it stands, neither investigator is meeting the challenge to produce corroborating data. One effort that could be undertaken is to obtain genetic evidence for human-alien hybrids using the newer methods of cloning and DNA analyses. If things are as these investigators hypothesize, samples from once-pregnant abductees or touchDNA analysis of items contacted by hybrid entities might reveal the truth. It is time for them to employ these tools. The key to making progress regarding the alien abduction mystery is held by these investigators. Perhaps they will soon come forward with corroborating data and other information that will help us decide precisely what truth has been revealed. Tyler Kokjohn Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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