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Re: Woods Defamation Campaign

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:54:32 +0000
Archived: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:16:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Woods Defamation Campaign

>From: Emma Woods <e.woods33.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:57:39 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Woods Defamation Campaign

>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 21:04:10 +0000
>>Archived: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:07:00 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Woods Defamation Campaign


>>I was more concerned with her attempt to have Jacobs
>>investigated by his institution based on the ICF she

>>The ICF she claimed to have signed has never been
>>seen in its entirety.

>>If the emphasis was on the fact that she was
>>volunteering and could quit at any time, I have not
>>seen this statement she claims was in the ICF.
>>Usually, there should be something stated along
>>those lines in the ICF.

>>I would rather treat the individual with respect and
>>listen to her complaint, and her struggles to get
>>her complaint to be taken seriously by Jacobs
>>employer. That would require a legal reading of the

>The form citing Temple University that Dr. Jacobs and
>I signed when he took me on as his research subject
>is available here:


>Gary Haden has published an analysis of both of the
>forms that Dr. Jacobs and I signed:


Ms. Woods:

I have read those parts of Haden's article that pertain to the
basis for his allegations and found his argument on shaky
ground. Yes, he quotes the Federal Regulations correctly. Yes,
he cites that historic background for implementing an IRB.
However, he does not have a background in interacting with a
real life IRB.

First and foremost to the issue of the institution's
responsibility to the human subject: Dr. Jacobs, quite possibly,
because he does not practice medicine, was unaware he needed to
design his protocol, including an ICF, according to Fed Regs
governing human subjects.

He must have heard something about getting a volunteer to sign a
piece of paper with certain statements on it. We can only guess
who and where he heard that from.

(After reading Dr. John Mack's ICF, I wrote to Harvard and
pointed out that it did not meet Federal Regulations.

Mack was called before his institution's board to answer for his
actions. Much was made of this in the UFO research community. I
was appalled the community sided with Mack against the human

Second, of course Temple U can tell Dr. Jacobs to do remove any
reference to the institution he works for. That is the clue, Dr.
Jacobs works for Temple, therefore, Temple can tell him what to
do with regard to pieces of paper pretending to be legal

Third, he was not doing research and therefore the IRB - never
saw nor approved his protocol - and had no jurisdiction over
him. Temple was correct in their response.

Fourth, the person Haden should be investigating is Jacobs.
Because he was a Professor of History messing around with
hypnotherapy, he did not follow the cardinal rule of that
technique: Do _not_ transfer on to your patient/client _your_
fears. _If_ he had been a professional, he would have had a
professional periodically evaluate his emotional state. Just
talking to professionals to pick up tips on how to hypnotize an
individual is not enough.

One thing that is offered to human subjects who volunteer, under
certain protocols, is monetary compensation.

One other concern of mine regarding Dr. Mack's 'research' was
that he used case histories in his books and made money off
those books. Mack used the people who came to him. Oh, sure, he
offered them his time, comfort and solace, but he was
compensated by the royalties he made; he was paid to make trips
to Europe, etc., etc.


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