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Re: James Carrion Fires Back

From: John Velez <jvelez49.nul>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 16:20:25 -0500
Archived: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:21:56 -0500
Subject: Re: James Carrion Fires Back

>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 09:33:59 -0000
>Subject: James Carrion Fires Back

>More from Victor...



>From: Victor Martinez
>Date: Thursday, February 03, 2011 4:10 AM
>Subject: UFO NEWS Former MUFON Director, James Carrion Fires Back atCritics
>and Reveals Reasons For His Resignation!

Hello All,

Victor writes:



I respectfully submit that if your nose hasn't gotten used to
the stench by now, a gas mask isn't going to do much good.

>Speaking of strange relationships, in 2009, billionaire
>entrepeneur Robert Bigelow decided to hire MUFON to conduct UFO
>investigations on behalf of his new venture, BAASS, an alleged
>aerospace company interested in discovering and exploiting novel
>and cutting edge technologies that relate to space travel.

If you go back far enough into the UFO UpDates Archive you will
find a thread I started in the late 90's regarding the sale of
abductee files by John Carpenter (and others) to Mr. Bigelow.
The problem with the whole scheme was; the abductees were not
informed, nor had they consented to the transfer of their
personal files and information to a third party. (Bigelow)

Before I went public with this information I made sure I had
confirmation from two independent sources. One of those sources
was John Scheussler himself who mistakenly believed he was
talking to Budd Hopkins on the telephone. When I called him, I
introduced myself as Budd's assistant from the Intruders
Foundation. He thought it was Budd on the other end. It didn't
take him long to realize his error.

When I informed him that I was calling because I was concerned
that John Carpenter - who at the time was the head of the MUFON
Abduction Database - was transferring abduction files to Bigelow
for monetary gain. Files that were no doubt being taken directly
from the database. Scheusslers response was, "I told John that
this thing had the potential to blow up in our faces!"

When I responded with the question; "You knew about this?!" He
suddenly snapped awake and asked; "Who is this?" When I
identified myself for him for the second time in minutes, he
immediate hung up on me.

There was a real schitt-storm generated over this at the time
that eventually ended with John Carpenter resigning from MUFON.
MUFON publicly (on this very List - it's in the archive
somewhere,) promised to conduct an internal investigation to
determine if the Abduction database files and the abductees
personal information had been compromised. They said they were
going to publish the results of the internal investigation.

None was ever forthcoming. The 'Dark-Side' relationship between
MUFON and things Bigelow goes back for more than a decade. You
are about 10-15 years late to the party with your pointed
question about that relationship.

>- John Schuessler, MUFON Board Member and former International
>Director was offered a U.S. government security clearance
>allegedly related to his consulting work for Mr. Bigelow.

Kinda like government employees leaving public service jobs
to lobby for the same industries they administered. It's
almost incestuous isn't it?

>4) What is MUFON's current relationship to BAASS and Mr.

To find that out, you have go back and find out how it
began and how long ago it started.

Quick note re: Budd Hopkins/Carol Rainy/Dave Jacobs.

1. Re: Carol Rainey and her indictment of Budd - which is valid
BTW - don't attribute any 'high motivations' to this sudden
revelation. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!" Consider
it in context; it's an ex-wife excoriating (trashing) her ex-
husband and his career in a very public manner. Just saying...

2. The whole time I worked with Budd, almost ten years, I
complained here, in public, about how sloppy his methods were. I
was always very vocal about that. That and the need for him and
others to properly catalog the raw data coming in so that
hopefully somebody could make some sense of it all. He never

3. I warned Budd and - everybody else - about Jim Mortellaro. I
was the one who introduced Jim to Budd. The very day I
introduced them, I warned Budd that there was something
seriously amiss with the guy.

Mortellaro had volunteered to pick me up at my home and drive us
both into the city. Between my house and Budd's studio, a short
20 minute drive, Mortellaro had swallowed a handful of multi-
colored pills, dry, no water, and he had pulled out an enormous
Dirty Harry style magnum and was pointing it at the roof of the
car as we drove, explaining to me how he needed to have it for
his part time Sheriff job.

When I got out of the car at Budds, I was more than a little
freaked out.

I told Budd immediately. I warned him. Before anybody else said
squat, I warned him about Mortellaro. I took a serious public
beating for it from "friends" - because they thought 'I was
being mean to poor Jim.' They didn't know and when I told them,
I was publicly dragged through the dirt for it.

Ufology as a whole is a sad joke. No science, no academic
interest, no funding, just a new-age scam for some and a career
opportunity for others. Bunch of phonies, liars and opportunists
for the most part. Don't get me wrong, there are some real good
people associated with the study of the phenomenon. But none of
them care to get deeply involved in helping to make something of
value to happen in terms of research. I have a very dim view of
ufology and those who scramble to be at the top of that dung

But please, don't let me interrupt your most interesting

Warm regards to my old friends...

John Velez
Former webmaster: Intruders Foundation

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