From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:50:56 -0000
Archived: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:22:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Hopkins & Jacobs 


>From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:57:06 -0500
>Subject: Re: Hopkins & Jacobs

>>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:24:00 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Hopkins & Jacobs

>>Meanwhile I'd like to ask - are we really going down the path of
>>denying the massive amount of alien abduction data because a
>>couple of researchers may have got a little carried away with
>>their hypnosis?

>>As convenient as the sceptics on this List would like it to be
>>that Hopkins and company invented the whole 'little greys'
>>scenario and we can now tuck it away for good alongwith with the
>>loony contactees, well I'm sorry - it ain't gonna happen!

>Dave,

>Where's the physical evidence? If abductees are regularly
>abducted by aliens, then there exists a target for
>investigation. One assumes that surveiling a sample of abductees
>over time ought to generate not just one instance of recorded
>evidence, but a plethora. Repeated again and again. Where is
>this evidence in the public record? I haven't seen it. Why not?

>At least with some UFO sightings there are multiple witness
>sightings, multiple simultaneous RADAR echoes, film and video
>recordings across a range of the visible and nonvisible EM
>spectrum, and even physical traces. I will remain skeptical of
>abduction researcher's claims until they provide enough evidence
>to support their assertions. Not before.


Hi Maynard

I haven't said the whole scene doesn't throw up a lot of
questions like the lack of physical evidence.

Some would cite so called implants as evidence - certainly the
individual stories recounted by so many constitute evidence of
experience.

I don't know whether the abduction experience is physical or not
- we've all heard stories of abductees returning with muddy
boots or odd stains on clothing etc.

Whether these are valid or not I have no idea and like you I
will "remain sceptical of abduction researchers' claims"

I am simply saying that it is wise to continue to listen to
people who say these things have happened to them and compile as
much information as possible for present and future analysis.

Personally I suspect we are dealing with an experience which
transcends time and space and as such you probably wouldn't be
able to provide physical evidence.

If many of our physicists are talking of parallel universes, why
is it not possible that these might bleed through into ours
occasionally?  Or we to these other realms?

So there may be reasons for lack of physical evidence - but no
reason to ignore the claimed abductees because they don't return
with an ET or Ultra-Terrrestrial ashtray.


Dave Haith


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