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Re: Hopkins & Jacobs

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:07:55 -0400
Archived: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:46:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Hopkins & Jacobs

>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:24:00 -0000
>Subject: Re: Hopkins & Jacobs

>Amid all this vitriole and hysteria re Hopkins and Jacobs can we
>back-up a little and summarise where we seem to be at...

>Following the 'Woods' matter with Jacobs and the Carol Rainey
>exposure of Hopkins, suddenly it seems the total alien abduction
>scene is out-of-favour.

>Most especially the concept of hypnosis of abductees is
>particularly taboo because, without any doubt, any
>informationobtained that way is suspect because the experiencer
>was 'led' and encouraged to relate a fantasy based on the
>hypnotists' scenario and desires.

>Of course this criticism of hypnosis is nothing new and was
>often levelled at Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack who if recall
>correctly had their denials and retorts which often included
>arguments that the initial stories of the abductees were
>recalled in detail long prior to any hypnosis sessions.

>A few brave souls such as Gildas B and abductee Kay Wilson have
>spoken out refusing to hang, draw and quarter Hopkins etc, maybe
>feeling as I do that as in most controversies they would at
>least like to hear some of the accused come forward and defend

>As Budd is apparently gravely ill, John is deceased and David
>appears to be keeping his head down amid rumours of law suits
>flying around, it's unlikely this story will get any real
>'balance' anytime soon.

>Meanwhile I'd like to ask - are we really going down the path of
>denying the massive amount of alien abduction data because a
>couple of researchers may have got a little carried away with
>their hypnosis?

>As convenient as the sceptics on this List would like it to be
>that Hopkins and company invented the whole 'little greys'
>scenario and we can now tuck it away for good alongwith with the
>loony contactees, well I'm sorry - it ain't gonna happen!

>For instance I only have to watch the faces of the children from
>the Zimbabwe school in this documentary:


>tell John Mack and make drawings of the beings they encountered
>without any suggestion of hypnosis, to satisfy myself that all
>there is something other than 'false memories' going on.

I'd like to hear more about the Rainey-Woods accusations. I'm
aware of accusations but don't know what they are. Additionally
I'm seeing a lot of hindsight here.

This retro hypnotherapy goes back twenty to thirty years and was
a new field. There were no experts back then and precious few
now. I'd much rather see some real science about this, not
pronouncements from the witchdoctors.

Let's not forget that psychiatry is not a science and has
unprovable tenents; theories abound but no hard facts. The
process of accumulation and elimination seems to be the rule
rather than anything definitive.

The FBI made greater advancements in the reading of serial
killings and the psychopathy of same than did the field of
psychiatry. In the FBI's case no psychiatrists were involved.

I've had some people come to me over the years with their
experiences, each person having more to lose than gain from the
telling of their stories. None of them were regressed.

Don Ledger

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